Another option for red bugs
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rc4kinu
Member
Just finished dip treatment last night using the concentrated formula using 2.84ml/liter on two different acros that had red bugs on it and everything is looking great. No signs of red bugs. One of them has polyp extension already and the other one which I suspect had it first (more damage), not yet. I did not treat every coral though since I can't see any damage or actual bugs and they are growing. I figure I can always treat on as needed basis in the future. One of the dipped acros was encrusted on a rock and some nasties, like two big bristle worms, was left on the bottom of the bucket.
xxxduke62xxx
New member
23 pages and not one person wrote down a breakdown of each bayer products dosage to make it less complicated and have 1 sure dose for AEFW and redbugs. Can someone please just do a run down like this
BAYER complete insect killer-X amount ml to X amount of water
Bayer complete insect killer concentrated- X amount ml to X anount of water
BAYER advanced home pest plus germ killer- X amount ml to X amount of water
that will make things so much easier then to guess the right dosage through 15 different people
BAYER complete insect killer-X amount ml to X amount of water
Bayer complete insect killer concentrated- X amount ml to X anount of water
BAYER advanced home pest plus germ killer- X amount ml to X amount of water
that will make things so much easier then to guess the right dosage through 15 different people
I posted exactly what I did. Corals still look good.
If you want one person to do all three, most people only bought one product so they don't have experience with all of them. What I listed above has worked for me and I got the dosage out of this thread. 4ml per Liter for 15 min with the germ killer bayer product. I try and aerate the water or turkey baste it to move it around during the dip.
JPMagyar
New member
I had Red Bugs and now I don't. I previously treated with Interceptor and had a re-infestation. I believe I got rid of the bugs because of either a) a healthy tank or b) coral gobies. I realize this is little help when someone sees a plethora of Red Bugs on their corals, but before killing all your micro-fauna I suggest trying turkey basting, coral gobies, and 10% weekly water changes.
AC2020x
Marine Conservationist
I just finished reading though this entire thread (started over a week ago) and just wanted to say thank you to Whisperer and everyone who contributed to developing the process as a safe one.
I recently (2 months ago) set up my system (29g w/29g sump) which currently consists of two clownfish. I recently got six frags at a local frag swap and they are in QT right now. My experience with corals is limited but I want to do things right from the start by putting them though a QT and dipping them before adding to my display. I haven't seen any pests on the frags but I'm also not well trained in finding or identifying them. So i'm going to put them though a preventative dip.
I was thinking of mixing the germ killer and complete insect killer 50/50 at a normal dose for the preventative dip. Any thoughts on this or reasons why it could be bad to mix them?
Also before putting them back into my QT do I want to clean everything out in the QT (water, tank, heater, filter, filter media, pumps ect.) so any unknown pests that I may kill off though the dip don't reinfect the corals once I put them back into the QT? Let me know your thoughts.
Thanks,
-AC
I recently (2 months ago) set up my system (29g w/29g sump) which currently consists of two clownfish. I recently got six frags at a local frag swap and they are in QT right now. My experience with corals is limited but I want to do things right from the start by putting them though a QT and dipping them before adding to my display. I haven't seen any pests on the frags but I'm also not well trained in finding or identifying them. So i'm going to put them though a preventative dip.
I was thinking of mixing the germ killer and complete insect killer 50/50 at a normal dose for the preventative dip. Any thoughts on this or reasons why it could be bad to mix them?
Also before putting them back into my QT do I want to clean everything out in the QT (water, tank, heater, filter, filter media, pumps ect.) so any unknown pests that I may kill off though the dip don't reinfect the corals once I put them back into the QT? Let me know your thoughts.
Thanks,
-AC
reinaldo licciardi
New member
Thanks , Whisperer, I saved my acros using bayer, all my acros are great after that, no more red bugs, thank you !!!!
Chris155hp
Member
+1 I have used @ 2.5/ cup of tank water with great success but i see that the germ killer and concentrated is now being used and actually killing aefw within 10min rather then just nocking them off? BAYER complete insect killer does knock them off within a couple of min but they still live in the solution for 30+ min.
hey, thanks everyone for their efforts here. i just tried it today on my 8 new corals, no definite signs of pests after all the dipping but the bottom of the container was covered in all sorts of nonsense.
anyways i didnt read all 23 pages before dipping ( can you blame me, its 23 pages!!!!) and i think my method was a little out of date, i used .5ml concentrate to one pint (2 cups) now i see that many are using much more concentrated solutions. either way that method worked for some at the beggining so i am confident but i will use more next time.
anyways i didnt read all 23 pages before dipping ( can you blame me, its 23 pages!!!!) and i think my method was a little out of date, i used .5ml concentrate to one pint (2 cups) now i see that many are using much more concentrated solutions. either way that method worked for some at the beggining so i am confident but i will use more next time.
110galreef
New member
I had a few of them variuos styles and they mostly irritated the SPS as they were always rubbing on them and maybe nipping.
Seems like it is more the amount of SPS relative to the number of clown gobies. I for sure had to many (6) in a newer SPS tank. Fortunatly most of the gobies didn't last.
I will give them a go now that my tank is more mature, but only have like 1-2.
NewbyReefer
Member
The clown goby's I've ever had hosted the wrong corals and got eaten. Don't know what would happen now that the fish eating coral is gone. As far as what I am using right now I had a good size redbug outbreak and I QT'd all my SPS(didn't know that monti's wer fine) and dipped them. Figured I'd dip once more and keep the DT Acro free for about 2 weeks so they all die out in there as well.
On a side note do redbugs attack setosa's? I dipped my monti caps and put them back into the DT but I'm not sure about my digi or setosa.
On a side note do redbugs attack setosa's? I dipped my monti caps and put them back into the DT but I'm not sure about my digi or setosa.
If dipped my SPS pieces in Bayer and have had good success, both after finding red bugs on some frags I had and as a preventative measure before adding new pieces.
I'm about to purchase some LPS corals, chalice corals in particular. Would you recommend the Bayer dip for those or should I go with something else, such as Revive or CoralRx?
I'm about to purchase some LPS corals, chalice corals in particular. Would you recommend the Bayer dip for those or should I go with something else, such as Revive or CoralRx?
Northside Reef
Premium Member
110galreef and other, I am not going to be able to answer your question. I am researching this myself, but I think I can paraphrase the best results (anecdotal evidence wise) and hopefully that will help.
Reading this thread can be confusing, and I have spent the past two days reading the entire thing. There are three key points of confusion.
What type of Bayer is being used?
How long do you dip the coral per type of Bayer being used?
How much do you use per type?
From my readings there seems to be one common theme. the type of pesticide the OP used appears to be the most effective with the least concentration. He and ousnakebyte are mixing 4ml of the Bayer Advanced Home pest and Germ Killer with 1/2 Liter of tank water and dipping for 15 minutes.
Others using this same ratio found the Bayer Advanced Complete Insect killer was not as effective in killing LRBs or AEFW. However they have found a ratio of 10 ml per 120 ml of tank water for 5 minutes will work the same.
I think it's very important to chose your ratio and dipping time based on the product you're using.
Whisperer Thank you very much I am setting up a new system and this will be a standard part of my QT procedure
Thanks all fo rthe studies and homework!!!
Ok, is there a concensus on which product to get? Seems many are usiing a variation of 3-4 different bayer ones as well as all over the board with doses and times??
Say you havesps)
-red bugs.......................Get product "X" and dose at yy:xx rate for zz mins
-AEFW...........................Get product "X" and dose at yy:xx rate for zz mins
-flatworms(planaria).........Get product "X" and dose at yy:xx rate for zz mins
-General new SPS coral dip......Get product "X" and dose at yy:xx rate for zz mins to blast all sps pests.
-General zoa' & softie coral dip....
-LPS.....
Thanks,
I am off to get one as soon as I hear back. Plan to get the Bayer Advanced Complete Insect Killer. Will it work for all needs above?
Reading this thread can be confusing, and I have spent the past two days reading the entire thing. There are three key points of confusion.
What type of Bayer is being used?
How long do you dip the coral per type of Bayer being used?
How much do you use per type?
From my readings there seems to be one common theme. the type of pesticide the OP used appears to be the most effective with the least concentration. He and ousnakebyte are mixing 4ml of the Bayer Advanced Home pest and Germ Killer with 1/2 Liter of tank water and dipping for 15 minutes.
Others using this same ratio found the Bayer Advanced Complete Insect killer was not as effective in killing LRBs or AEFW. However they have found a ratio of 10 ml per 120 ml of tank water for 5 minutes will work the same.
I think it's very important to chose your ratio and dipping time based on the product you're using.
Well, it looks like I now get to join the AEFW club. At least, I think these are limited to the quarantine tank - I hope. I will be vigorously checking acros in the display over the next few months.
I have been using Ivermectin to control Red Bugs, so I don't have any of those - just the flatworms, at this point.
I didn't take any pics of the corals, but this is what I found that fell off about 15 frags/small colonies:
I used three different mixes, but about the same ratios of concentration:
- 4mL per 1/2 liter or 8 mL per 1 Liter (~0.25 gallons)
- 80mL per 2.5 gallons (~10 Liters)
- 160 mL per 5 gallons (~20 Liters)
Dipping time was about 15 minutes.
This is the product I used:
I will update if I lose any corals.
Now, I have to deal with the eggs, which I have seen on the corals and frag plugs. I'm thinking of just cutting away the coral from any rocks/plugs and scrubbing any questional specks. Is that what others have done?
Whisperer - I can't thank you enough for posting this information.
Cheers
Mike
cjtice - Here is what I'm using: http://www.buyhardwaresupplies.com/?t=5&m=g1&itemNumber=7269343
Bayer Complete Insect Killer
Whisperer Thank you very much I am setting up a new system and this will be a standard part of my QT procedure
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divewsharks
Active member
Using the concentrate version, I also go with 10ml per 1/2 cup
of tank water. This has killed rb's and aefw.
of tank water. This has killed rb's and aefw.
I am using the Bayer Advanced Complete Insect Killer for Soil and Turf.
It is mixing milky white at low solutions. What product is mixing clear? It is very difficult to see pest even in a clear container with light penetrating all sides.
I have tried low solutions, high solutions. Etc. all white as milk. All of the pictures I have seen are clear as Coral Rx, Revive.
It is mixing milky white at low solutions. What product is mixing clear? It is very difficult to see pest even in a clear container with light penetrating all sides.
I have tried low solutions, high solutions. Etc. all white as milk. All of the pictures I have seen are clear as Coral Rx, Revive.
