Antibiotic treatment for a sick H. magnifica
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flakey
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A little while ago i finally got hold of another magnifica (they seem to be hard to get hold of here in the UK). I've had a few in my time and unfortunatley have never had much success with them. During my latest attempt, i stumbled on this thread and with guidance, I attempted to treat my mag with antibiotics. I could not get hold of the antibiotics you guys have been using so i've had to guesstimate the dosage. Anyway, here is the thread detailing my little journey...
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2226463
It was a pinful journey and i lost my way a bit after he perished, but i would like to say a special thanks to minh and everyone who offered their advice, I really appreciate it. I just hope one day I manage to get myself a healthy one.
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2226463
It was a pinful journey and i lost my way a bit after he perished, but i would like to say a special thanks to minh and everyone who offered their advice, I really appreciate it. I just hope one day I manage to get myself a healthy one.
great stuff in here.
I just wanted to add an experience of mine. My purple base mag a the time has been in my system for 5 years and was in perfect health.
one day at a lfs i cam across a great looking red based mag. I brought it home and put it into qt in a 20long that I set up on the fly impulse purchase...
The next day the new mag was going through deflation cycles and evacuating dark brown waste. I did a water change ran a carbon poly filter. the usual.
that nite things seemed to improve and the Nem stayed inflated until the light came on. and the cycle resumed.
after 3 days like this I deducted it was the light on my QT. So I brilliantly decided to move the new Mag into my sump wich has a much better light and I know the water is pristine! (cringe...I am so focused on saving this nem, I break the rules) in it goes..
Now my sump is ion the cellar and after cleaning up a few things I walk up stair and for the first time ever my purple based mag is deflated.. only partially but I instantly know its not right. I rush back down stairs and remove the New red based mag back to QT.
Elapsed time 10min
over the coarse of the next few weeks I lost both anemone's. did try abx on the red based one without success .. its document far6ther back in this thread or the other.
it is my experience that disease or infection passes rapidly between animals and is water born.
Description _ anemone goes through a deflation cycle during light cycle and expels brown or black string waste. I am certain the waste is being produced and it is not regurgitated food. I have seen animal completely deflate and agape and probed using a gentle water stream visually inspecting the empty stomach.
The animal appears to recover after the lights are out. and it is easy to see the light irritates the animal with a few simple tests.
Of coarse with the animal unable to Photosynthesis. and unable to digest or even hold in food it wastes away fairly quickly. It is extremely frustrating to see, since it the animal looks healthy and remains unble3ached until the very end.
Enroflaxin did not work for me. I think once we beat whatever this is the survive ability of both Mag and Gig in over sea's shipment will go up greatly.
I just wanted to add an experience of mine. My purple base mag a the time has been in my system for 5 years and was in perfect health.
one day at a lfs i cam across a great looking red based mag. I brought it home and put it into qt in a 20long that I set up on the fly impulse purchase...
The next day the new mag was going through deflation cycles and evacuating dark brown waste. I did a water change ran a carbon poly filter. the usual.
that nite things seemed to improve and the Nem stayed inflated until the light came on. and the cycle resumed.
after 3 days like this I deducted it was the light on my QT. So I brilliantly decided to move the new Mag into my sump wich has a much better light and I know the water is pristine! (cringe...I am so focused on saving this nem, I break the rules) in it goes..
Now my sump is ion the cellar and after cleaning up a few things I walk up stair and for the first time ever my purple based mag is deflated.. only partially but I instantly know its not right. I rush back down stairs and remove the New red based mag back to QT.
Elapsed time 10min
over the coarse of the next few weeks I lost both anemone's. did try abx on the red based one without success .. its document far6ther back in this thread or the other.
it is my experience that disease or infection passes rapidly between animals and is water born.
Description _ anemone goes through a deflation cycle during light cycle and expels brown or black string waste. I am certain the waste is being produced and it is not regurgitated food. I have seen animal completely deflate and agape and probed using a gentle water stream visually inspecting the empty stomach.
The animal appears to recover after the lights are out. and it is easy to see the light irritates the animal with a few simple tests.
Of coarse with the animal unable to Photosynthesis. and unable to digest or even hold in food it wastes away fairly quickly. It is extremely frustrating to see, since it the animal looks healthy and remains unble3ached until the very end.
Enroflaxin did not work for me. I think once we beat whatever this is the survive ability of both Mag and Gig in over sea's shipment will go up greatly.
Gig 'em
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This was a very good thread. If I ever try a magnifica I will be following these quarantine procedures.
I still want to stress that we as hobbyists should still take full precautions with playing around with antibiotics though. I understand many of the arguments in this thread about small amounts of antibiotics being released into the environment and being out-competed by non-resistant strains of bacteria.
However, I spent a few years working in a Federal Pathogen Microbiology lab and I know that playing around with uncertain concentrations of antibiotics is a dangerous game. May I suggest that when you remove treated water from the QT tank you disinfect it completely. You can do this by adding a cap-full of bleach or by boiling it. By doing this you will eliminate any strains of bacteria that may have generated a resistance to the antibiotic and will probably denature the structure of any remaining antibiotic molecules.
It is our responsibility to practice our hobby with care and responsibility and remain accountable for our actions. Sure, it probably won't result in any terrible outcomes, and out of sight out of mind right? But it doesn't take that much time or effort to decon a bucket of water before dumping it into the public water treatment plants with possible drug resistant microbes. It's just not a risk we should be willing to take.
I still believe treating these animals with antibiotics is a good idea to increase their chance of survival, just treat the process carefully. Perhaps some day a supplier will find a way to transport them in a more healthy manner.
I still want to stress that we as hobbyists should still take full precautions with playing around with antibiotics though. I understand many of the arguments in this thread about small amounts of antibiotics being released into the environment and being out-competed by non-resistant strains of bacteria.
However, I spent a few years working in a Federal Pathogen Microbiology lab and I know that playing around with uncertain concentrations of antibiotics is a dangerous game. May I suggest that when you remove treated water from the QT tank you disinfect it completely. You can do this by adding a cap-full of bleach or by boiling it. By doing this you will eliminate any strains of bacteria that may have generated a resistance to the antibiotic and will probably denature the structure of any remaining antibiotic molecules.
It is our responsibility to practice our hobby with care and responsibility and remain accountable for our actions. Sure, it probably won't result in any terrible outcomes, and out of sight out of mind right? But it doesn't take that much time or effort to decon a bucket of water before dumping it into the public water treatment plants with possible drug resistant microbes. It's just not a risk we should be willing to take.
I still believe treating these animals with antibiotics is a good idea to increase their chance of survival, just treat the process carefully. Perhaps some day a supplier will find a way to transport them in a more healthy manner.
Perhaps if we can get some more grow out tanks we can have them tank raised instead of going out and collecting them.
Heck a 1,000,000 +/- gallon tank with wave makers would be perfect for someone to make, even if it was one of the sloped tanks like in the water parks.
Then they would not be as stressed with a flight 1/2 way across the world.
Heck a 1,000,000 +/- gallon tank with wave makers would be perfect for someone to make, even if it was one of the sloped tanks like in the water parks.
Then they would not be as stressed with a flight 1/2 way across the world.
Gig 'em
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OK Lets get started. I know we will make money from all the lfs and online distributers.
We have to set it up to only do 5% direct to market the reset has to go to LFS and Online distributors. That way we can get away with not being a monopoly.
Im in the DC area. Want to fly out here? We can sit and talk about it over lunch.
We have to set it up to only do 5% direct to market the reset has to go to LFS and Online distributors. That way we can get away with not being a monopoly.
Im in the DC area. Want to fly out here? We can sit and talk about it over lunch.
Gig 'em
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haha sure it's only a small flight from Texas.
But I often have wondered how difficult it would be to collect magnificas and put them in coolers with battery powered bubblers and check them in as your check-in baggage on an airplane so they can skip all the middle-men and distributors. Then once back and established in the states start aquaculturing them in long green house raceways. I have no idea the permits required to do that though or I would structure my next vacation to accomplish that.
But I often have wondered how difficult it would be to collect magnificas and put them in coolers with battery powered bubblers and check them in as your check-in baggage on an airplane so they can skip all the middle-men and distributors. Then once back and established in the states start aquaculturing them in long green house raceways. I have no idea the permits required to do that though or I would structure my next vacation to accomplish that.
SomeDude12
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With Ciprofloxacin, did you find that it caused the water to be quite cloudy?
SomeDude12
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250mg
Hmmm, perhaps different forms work differently. I used 250 of fish flox in 10 gallons daily. It is a white pill that you must rub between your fingers in an area of flow and it does impart a slight cloudiness to the water. Not very cloudy though. It is just a HT tank, though, so only worry if the nem is not doing well, or getting worse.
ryannterror
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+1 to that in 10 gallons I only had slight cloudiness but that would go away fairly quick.
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