Any tricks to getting a fish to eat frozen or dry food? My Banggai Cardinal refuses anything but live food!

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Anyone have any tricks or techniques for getting a fish to eat frozen or dry food, if it refuses anything except live???

I bought three small 1.5-2" captive bred Banggai Cardinals, put them through quarantine where none of them touched frozen food (neither before or after prophylactic medication). Added them to the display tank and one started greedily eating frozen brine and mysis, and after a month of the other two not eating one of them passed away, and I put the other in a breeder box and when I gave it live cyclops, mysis and brine shrimp, it ate all of those. I've continued giving it live food to strengthen it for a week, and have been trying to give frozen food too, including frozen mysis with garlic, in the breeder box, but it still won't touch any of it! (It did eat some frozen cyclops, although probably just because they're small enough that it can't tell they're not alive).

It's a pain to drive to pick up live food, so I do need it to acclimate to at least frozen, and dry food would be good to as I'll need to have that in an autofeeder when I'm occasionally away!
 
He’s probably eating something throughout the day that you just don’t know about. If they are hungry enough and not sick, they will eat frozen and dry.
 
The best way to get fish to eat dead food is to make it look like live food as much as you can. Let it float by in the flow. A little competition from a similar fish may stimulate it to grab some for itself. Adding a tiny bit of defrosted mysis in with the cloud of what the fish is eating and letting it float by.

I have never seen a positive reaction from a fish to garlic. By that I mean I never saw a fish start eating or eat more because of it. Some avoid it and some ignore it. That is my experience.

Your fish would probably respond well to live white worms that are easy to culture. I don't know if you could find those nearby. I used to grow them for my small butterfly fish.
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I ordered a starter culture on eBay.
I have had fish that only started eating frozen after 2-3 months. I had 3 that never did that starved to death when I couldn't get feeder fish/live glass shrimp during covid. I wiggled so many things various ways to try to get them to eat.
I accidentally killed a live shrimp and put it in the tank anyway with the other live ones. They ignored it as it floated by.

I have had many people tell me they trained their fish to eat dead food (these were dwarf lion fish). I never got a single reply to the question of how do you train a fish.

Most fish start eating what the other fish eat eventually. Some never do.
Hope it starts eating for you.
 
Anyone have any tricks or techniques for getting a fish to eat frozen or dry food, if it refuses anything except live???

I bought three small 1.5-2" captive bred Banggai Cardinals, put them through quarantine where none of them touched frozen food (neither before or after prophylactic medication). Added them to the display tank and one started greedily eating frozen brine and mysis, and after a month of the other two not eating one of them passed away, and I put the other in a breeder box and when I gave it live cyclops, mysis and brine shrimp, it ate all of those. I've continued giving it live food to strengthen it for a week, and have been trying to give frozen food too, including frozen mysis with garlic, in the breeder box, but it still won't touch any of it! (It did eat some frozen cyclops, although probably just because they're small enough that it can't tell they're not alive).

It's a pain to drive to pick up live food, so I do need it to acclimate to at least frozen, and dry food would be good to as I'll need to have that in an autofeeder when I'm occasionally away!


That is a ruff one. I bred these for a while and it can be tough. You need to work to frozen first. Frozen Cylopeese and P/E calanus are the easiest first food. Then onto mysis. They love mysis and seems to be a favorite once on it.

I would drop frozen food in with live food and slowly bring the amount of live food down and raise the amount frozen food up.

Next:
Dry food I just mixed a little in with the frozen. I let dry food soak for a bit in the frozen food, Flake is easier. I did the same started raising the amount of flake and decreasing the amount of frozen.

They also learn from other fish.

Yea I remember I bought like 8 juveniles to eventually breed and they would not eat dry or frozen. They were tiny. It took work and was actually harder than some anthias to get onto dry.
 
Thanks, I eventually put into a hang-on side breeder box, and gave it a lot of live brine and mysis to fatten it up, and kept trying to feed it frozen, which it continued to ignore, but today suddenly it decided to grab some of the frozen brine shrimp finally, much to my relief! But I think if I hadn't put it into the breeder box to focus-feed, then I probably would have lost it.
 
I have had similar issues with CB . I don’t know if the breeders even start them on dry before they ship them off . I remember seeing on YouTube that someone had designed a sort of kriesel tank. It wasn’t a traditional kriesel because it was more tall rather than round . It gave the juveniles more time to be presented with food . Normally if dry and frozen food is presented , the juveniles will only eat it if at the right level . Once it drops below them , they just dismiss it . So the tank was designed with an air stone to circulate the food back up to the cardinals height . So as not to keep adding food that just drops without any movement to the bottom and pollutes the tank . I had some success with baby guppies . The guppies would swim all over the place and entice the cardinals to chase them down . Now where does one get baby guppies that small . It requires a large tank that is brackish where the moms are acclimated and breed in the tank . The baby guppies are then not in a big shock when they hit full seawater .the guppies provide a lasting meal so they don’t have to be fed that often . That also fortifies the baby cardinals and allows them to strengthen and grow . And gives you more time to keep introducing frozen food . And then on to dry pellets . A lot of work and dedication .
 
I have bought some juvenile banggais where they start to eat frozen adult brine right away . Used Sally brand .you can always try it at lfs . See if they eat at the store , if they do then you don’t have to stress over feeding them . I think about the juveniles in the wild . If they are swimming in the spines of the sea urchin , they are waiting for food to be brought to them by current and have to eat anything that is pushed toward them . , these are just my thoughts and some experience with them , each batch seem to be different .
 
Anyone have any tricks or techniques for getting a fish to eat frozen or dry food, if it refuses anything except live???

I bought three small 1.5-2" captive bred Banggai Cardinals, put them through quarantine where none of them touched frozen food (neither before or after prophylactic medication). Added them to the display tank and one started greedily eating frozen brine and mysis, and after a month of the other two not eating one of them passed away, and I put the other in a breeder box and when I gave it live cyclops, mysis and brine shrimp, it ate all of those. I've continued giving it live food to strengthen it for a week, and have been trying to give frozen food too, including frozen mysis with garlic, in the breeder box, but it still won't touch any of it! (It did eat some frozen cyclops, although probably just because they're small enough that it can't tell they're not alive).

It's a pain to drive to pick up live food, so I do need it to acclimate to at least frozen, and dry food would be good to as I'll need to have that in an autofeeder when I'm occasionally away
 
Forgive me but I am technology challenged. But there is a member here Paul b who wrote very interesting stuff about fish health and diet
 
Anyone have any tricks or techniques for getting a fish to eat frozen or dry food, if it refuses anything except live???

I bought three small 1.5-2" captive bred Banggai Cardinals, put them through quarantine where none of them touched frozen food (neither before or after prophylactic medication). Added them to the display tank and one started greedily eating frozen brine and mysis, and after a month of the other two not eating one of them passed away, and I put the other in a breeder box and when I gave it live cyclops, mysis and brine shrimp, it ate all of those. I've continued giving it live food to strengthen it for a week, and have been trying to give frozen food too, including frozen mysis with garlic, in the breeder box, but it still won't touch any of it! (It did eat some frozen cyclops, although probably just because they're small enough that it can't tell they're not alive).

It's a pain to drive to pick up live food, so I do need it to acclimate to at least frozen, and dry food would be good to as I'll need to have that in an autofeeder when I'm occasionally away!
Remember, I am an electrician, (a really good electrician) and I am not a researcher or scientist, I also don't have as many degrees as a thermometer. I did not even go to college, there was that war thing and besides that I hate school and would rather learn what I want to learn when I want to learn it even though I know now you could take a course in Beyonce. That will get you far in life. :cool:

Some history: I learned most of what I know about fish by spending about 400 hours with them underwater in oceans all over the place. Not tourist diving when all the divers in a resort follow an instructor around a reef that 17,000 divers "explored" before you. I have my own boat and equipment and when I went to the tropics, I hired a local guide to show me what I asked him to show me and thats how I learned. Lay on the bottom until you run out of air. Much of my dives were at night in New York hunting for lobsters in close to zero visibility.

Enough about me. If you don't believe fish can become immune, like they are in the sea, go and watch Oprah or "The View" :oops:

To know about fish you have to know how they think. You will learn that by observing them in the sea.



The first thing we see is that fish don't like us and they are afraid of us, yes even if you look like Angelina Jolie. As soon as a diver gets about 7' from a coral head, all the fish will dive in and get completely out of sight. Thats what they want to do,,,ALL fish. No fish in the sea is going to stay there while you get close to them.

But in a tank, they are stuck, they can't get away. They can't get 7 feet from you and in a majority of tanks, they can't even hide from you. This one thing is a huge problem in keeping fish in a Home Tank. Public aquariums are different and in those tanks, the fish are at ease.

So thats one problem but we can correct that as much as possible. Another big problem is that all bony fish have a "lateral Line" that I have never heard one person mention in 60+ years of doing this and it is the single most important thing on a fish. It is more important than their sight, smell and hearing. Fish can get along fine without those senses but would die in minutes without their lateral line.



You can clearly see it on this Copperband. It's the line of scales that start behind the eye and arc up around near the top of the fish and goes to it's tail.

Most of us don't have this line but all fish do and it is the most important part of a fish and has an enormous job to do for the fish.
That line of fluid filled tubes is the radar of the fish. It uses it to "feel" it's surroundings. Robert Straughn The Father of Salt Water Fish Keeping called it "Remote Feel". We never speak of it but instead worry about flake food or rice Crispies. It is as crucial to a fish as our skin is.

That is why you can never catch a fish with a net unless you cheat and corner the fish against something. Try to catch a fish with a net in the open sea by chasing it with a net. Even though the fish can't see the net, it knows exactly where the net is. Ever wonder why a fish never crashes into the glass in a tank? Not even in pitch darkness? The lateral line. And remember, the fish can't see the glass just like we don't see it when looking right through it.

That line is crucial to a fish but a big hinderance in a tank. Why you might say? Because the fish can "feel" the glass and being he can't see it, it drives them nuts.
(IMO that is how HLLE comes about and it always affects the lateral line first)

The nerves in the lateral line constantly bombard the fish with signals that in the sea would cause it to flee from an unknown threat, but they can't in a tank.
The fish can also feel the water surface and substrate and know they should be much deeper because none of the fish we keep live in 16" of water so they constantly want to get into safer, deeper water, but in a tank, they can't. It's like if we were in a see through cell where we can't see the bars but we can see predators walking by all the time. It would be scary. (Unless of course we see Ms Jolie)

These are a few things that cause stress in fish. I will continue below.
 
That is a part of the original post. The person that wrote is Paul b. I take no credit for this. But when u read all of it, it just makes common sense.
 
Anyone have any tricks or techniques for getting a fish to eat frozen or dry food, if it refuses anything except live???

I bought three small 1.5-2" captive bred Banggai Cardinals, put them through quarantine where none of them touched frozen food (neither before or after prophylactic medication). Added them to the display tank and one started greedily eating frozen brine and mysis, and after a month of the other two not eating one of them passed away, and I put the other in a breeder box and when I gave it live cyclops, mysis and brine shrimp, it ate all of those. I've continued giving it live food to strengthen it for a week, and have been trying to give frozen food too, including frozen mysis with garlic, in the breeder box, but it still won't touch any of it! (It did eat some frozen cyclops, although probably just because they're small enough that it can't tell they're not alive).

It's a pain to drive to pick up live food, so I do need it to acclimate to at least frozen, and dry food would be good to as I'll need to have that in an autofeeder when I'm occasionally away!
 
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