Anyone else notice we're getting bigger?

Putawaywet

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Just for kicks I went back and took a look at a dozen or so pages of posts from the first few months that this forum was up, and I couldn't help but find it interesting just how far we have come in a relatively few short years.

Back then it seems that the majority of tanks were in the 225-400gal range, with 300/300+ being quite the norm. Anything over 500gals seemed to be the exception rather than the rule. And those select few that went into four digits....? Well, they certainly must be crazy, but oh how we dreamed to be able to trade places with them.

But now.....

It does appear that the old standby 225gal doesn't even get the blood worked up anymore. 300+ gals is so yesterday, and even 400gals seems to be right on the edge of making the jump from the everyday reefer to the guys in the secret handshake club. One need only take a look at the last few months of posts to see that 500gals, 700gals and even 1,000gals are popping up more and more frequently.

Even more interesting is the number of reefers who I am noticing are leap-froging from smaller tanks to relatively large systems without the usual stopover at something in-between. I'm talking about the folks who have maybe a year or two in the hobby that pop in asking about upgrading their 40gal reef to a 96"x36"x30" monster. Now, I'm certainly not trying to pass judgement on whether I think this to be a sound practice, but rather pointing out what I perceive to be a direction the hobby is taking.

But with all of this I now find myself wondering where will the ceiling be in a couple years? Where will we level off at? If at all. Will a 1000+gal tank be just another normal setup by 2009? Will Mr. 4000 be looked upon as a pioneer who inspired so many that there will be a glut of custom homes on the market that will come with their very own in-wall 1,000gal or 2,000gal aquariums? Will designers and builders become so familiar with big tanks that they will be able to incorporate a fish room into that new custom home with a few mouse clicks? ...."You'll need a floor drain for water changes won't ya bub?" "2000 gallons? No problemo." "Fish or reef? OK, gonna need to upgrade the HVAC for that one ....how many gallons is that sump again?"

Or, will rising utility costs level us back off and send us downgrading to something more manageable? Will stricter regulations on wild caught collections price us out of store bought corals altogether? Will the increasing plagues such as red bugs and flatworms push people over the edge until they throw in the towel? Will 300gal complete systems be so common on the used equipment forum that you'll literally be able to pick them up for a song?

Where are we headed?

More importantly, where will we end up?

Inquiring minds want to know!

Brett
 
Great insite, I have thought about this myself. When I first got into reefing haveing a Nano was all the Rage, but Iguess with most things these days , technology is the driving force behind this hobby. (or as it always has been testoterone) So going big is the new motto. I have a 225 that I won't set up because it's to small looking for my space and I rather hold just hold out for my 500, I rememeber 5 years ago when my 55 gal was it and I was very satisfied with it and did not need anything bigger
 
I think as technology gets better and people are able to freely share information on boards such as these we get huge jumps in reef keeping. Now people are not scared to push the limits and build monsters that would be instant disasters in past times. I think the only limits to this hobby now a days are peoples wallets instead of nutrition,equipment, et cetera.
 
I have a 375 now and my next one will be1000+. With the 375 I had to get a new front door and sidelights that costed me $3000. With a bigger one, I will need a new house. It is so addicting that the only direction is up......and up.......and up.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8631415#post8631415 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by VikeBron
I have a 375 now and my next one will be1000+. With the 375 I had to get a new front door and sidelights that costed me $3000. With a bigger one, I will need a new house. It is so addicting that the only direction is up......and up.......and up.

Thats the spirit!!!!!!!!! :smokin:
 
Brett, if you ask me, the utility companies will drive most decisions on tanks 400+. Even if we get better at light and pump efficiency, it still cost $$$.
I would be interested in the longevity of people keeping those large tanks, one out of ten if five years?
 
i guess im one of the few who downsized from a 360 to a 170...granted, if i had the room again, it would be a 1000 gallon for me as well!
 
I've personally known more people with larger tanks that have downsized versus upsized. In the twin cities area at least 3-4 people have done this in the past few years. Part of the problem is the reality of maintaining a monster tank and it's placement in the house. For Mothers or Fathers with children it's hard to spend a weekend in the basement working on a tank when your little one needs that time. I do think that large tanks will become the norm as more people do it, post and share information. I planned mine for over a year before pulling the trigger. I placed it upstairs so as the family is watching some kids movie I can fiddle with the tank but still be connected. My other system was in the basement which isolated me from the rest of the household. Information from other big tank owners also helped. One of the few areas I couldn't find as much info as I needed was in the average monthly expense to maintain a big tank. In the 1700 gallon stingray reef thread I have tried to share just about everything(good or bad) about keeping such a large tank. After 1.5 years I have come to the conclusion that I couldn't downsize. Thankfully with boards like these the ability to share experiences will help others to avoid costly,damaging mistakes and set-up large systems with confidence.
 
Yes, if I had to pick one thing and one thing only that I thought was solely repsonsible for the advancement of this hobby I would have to say it's has been the Internet. It used to be long ago that you hacked together a system with a lot of trial and error and whatever books were out at the time. If you were really lucky you knew some guys that were already in the hobby and could help out. But now with boards like RC and the like, people just starting out are able to sign up and shave years off the learning curve. Theoretically speaking, someone with absolutely no experience, but enough cash, could actually take info from here and be up and running with a 300+ gal SPS tank in just a few months. Granted, it very well could turn into a very big disaster if something went wrong, but they could come out of the gate with one heck of a setup. So overall, it's hard to argue that it hasn't taken us forward by leaps and bounds

Ken, we've had this conversation before about the untilities and I think we are just the tip of the iceberg. I suspect we will see electricy bills creeping up all across the country. CA, TX and FL are just the first to feel the pinch I have no doubt that more and more utilities will follow suit as time passes. BTW, I'm down to $284.00 for the month of Nov so I'm making progress :)

And least we forget the price we are paying for better technology. Tunze and Vortec offer great toys but at prices that can rival the cost of an empty tank. The European lighting units are looking especially sweet, but they come with a price that leaves you with anyting but a smile on your face. And reef controllers, oh how the bells and whistles are everything we have been asking for, but a couple grand by the time all the add-ons are factored in?

There was a time when the tank was easily the single most expensive part of your setup. But the game is definitely a'changing, and good or bad, were playing it at a totally different level now.

Brett
 
when you factor in the escalating costs in energy, I personally see a trend towards the downsizing of the hobby.
considering the total number of people on this and evey other reefing sites, the quantity of reefers with very large systems is quite small. Add to that those that have taken down their large tanks for something smaller and the number is even less!
:rolleyes:
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8635546#post8635546 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by boozeman
when you factor in the escalating costs in energy, I personally see a trend towards the downsizing of the hobby.
considering the total number of people on this and evey other reefing sites, the quantity of reefers with very large systems is quite small. Add to that those that have taken down their large tanks for something smaller and the number is even less!
:rolleyes:

But when compared to a baseline it is no doubt growing. Maybe not as a percentage since the whole hobby is growing like crazy but the number is growing. There will always be people tearing down tanks but there are always people setting up new ones also.

I think the electricity issue will be dealt with in a couple ways.

1) It factors into a big tank decision much more then a small. That being the case if energy costs do continue to rise and I agree they will there will be more and more emphasis on saving energy.

2) Tunze/Vortec etc. will be even more successful as they are quite efficient

3) LED lighting will eventually become more cost effective and use much less energy

4) We will really start to research what the corals need as far as lighting specifically. Do they really need 1000W MH or can we go with 250W and get the same results, etc

5) Beckett Skimmers will be used less and less. I use one now on my 450 and love it but the Iwaki 100 is not exactly power friendly!


Other then that I don't think the hobby will slow down until importation is restricted in a big way. Then a rebirth will happen but it will be less affordable as we have to pay higher prices for tank raised fish and corals.

This hobby has come an amazing way even in the almost 8 years I've been in it. I think we are becoming quite good at keeping things alive. I'm personally real excited with what we do next!
 
Is no one out there using solar power to help offset electricity cost? That is what my husband has worked up for the new 1500 gallon tank I will have in our new house. It will of course have electrical backup but here in TX we have lots of sun so a bank of solar panels will end up being much less expensive than paying for electricity in the long run. It will also keep going during power outages which happen when fronts come in and trees fall on the lines. This will be a fish and live rock tank not a reef tank and we have factored in windows and skylights into the house plans to help with lighting as well. I am in the hobby for life or at least as long as I am physically able to take care of my fish.

Just a note... my husband is a great guy who has been so supportive of my hobby. He of course benefits from the tanks as well but has even ask me if the current dimensions of the new tank will be big enough...
 
I looked in to solar panels... it was not cost effective or i didn't think it was. for my needs... i was going to spend $25k on panels and the other equipment required. that will take over 15 years to recover the cost.
 
There are some of the power companies that will give discounts on electricity if you start using some solar power. Austin has a good program from what my husband has found. Not sure of other areas. Our coop does not give a credit at this time but considering how much electricity we will be using and the knowledge that the electric cost is going up annually we feel it will be worth the investment. I also like knowing that the tanks will keep running with all the little power outages we seem to have. As with all things the technology is getting better and prices are declining on the solar panels so in time it will not be such an expensive option. I would not bother with a smaller tank but with multiple tanks and the one large one it should be a good investment for us.
 
The problem with solar power on a large reef tank is that it can't meet the demands. I researched this option during the planning phase and just didn't see the pay-off. If Solar power can be further refined to the point where it makes fiscal sense than more systems will be supported by it. Recycling is a major role in making these large tanks work. I use the heat generated by the lights to assist with heating my home. I heard Bill won will be doing the same thing with Reefzilla, but on a much larger scale.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8635546#post8635546 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by boozeman
when you factor in the escalating costs in energy, I personally see a trend towards the downsizing of the hobby.
considering the total number of people on this and evey other reefing sites, the quantity of reefers with very large systems is quite small. Add to that those that have taken down their large tanks for something smaller and the number is even less!
:rolleyes:

The large tank we are setting up now we got from a fellow reefer who downsized due to energy costs in his area sky rocketing... not that we aren't equally worried about that, but we have already focused on becoming as energy efficient as possible with our current tank and hope to keep that mindset moving forward with the new, larger one :)
 
Heat is not a problem where I am. Cool is more of an issue. It is hot enough down here that shorts are in order right now. I have the windows open but it got up to 81 in my house today. Almost turned the AC back on but decided I would wait.

Lucky for me my large tank will not be a reef but fish only so a chiller and the high lighting will not be needed. We will see how it works out. Once we get to house building. For now it is the barn that is being built.
 
I think it has to do with price, it's really come down. I was happy with my 90 gallon, when I set it up I over-engineered all my equipment, along came a weird good trade and next thing I know I'm running 225display 500gallon total system for less then 500$, with all the existing equipment I had, and outside of the extra heater, and additional salt non of my monthly costs have gone up. I probably even was able to cut back on a few extra pumps I had doing stuff that I really didn't need.
 
I cant imagine anyone downsizing. If you have a succesful large reef how could you go smaller? As far as energy costs? thats why LEDS will be the norm, and low wattage pumps. I cant see the cost of energy having anything to do with it as long as people are willing to try the new tech and save a few bucks.

Personally though I think the "large reef tank" forum needs to split, there are too many 180 and 225 threads I have to weed to to get to the "true" large reef tank threads. Lets see a 450+ forum and thats not total system volume ;) thats actual tank size.
 
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