Anyone here give up on keeping SPS?

Sorry to redirect this from the technical advice, but just answering the original question....

I know a lot of people love SPS here, but after starting with some years ago, just not a big fan nowadays. Though colorful, they seem so rigid, grow relatively slowly, and some are just not as hardy as their LPS & softie counterparts, and also pretty vulnerable to chemical warfare, not aggressive growers enough for me. I'm a big fan of soft corals now, xenia, torch & the like that move and give the tank some life. Also, just not that much time in my schedule to be constantly worrying about fragile species, I need something a little more resilient. Just my personal preference, totally respect people who are up for a challenge or like something different, some gorgeous tanks out there!
 
If you have no nitrates why are you seemingly convinced you need another skimmer? How much skimmate can a low nutrient 20g really expect to produce?

I ask because I'd hate to see you throw money away with no nitrates unless there is some other benefit of skimming that I'm unaware of.

I also believe you are getting alot of differing advice because it's tough to say for sure when you are 1000 miles away. It's a trial and error process and I wish you luck. There were several replies on this thread where people listed they had problems and eventually found the one weird thing that helped them out.

Gorilla crab, bad hydrometer, ph swings, inappropriate rock leeching chemicals, etc. could wreak absolute havoc in a 20g imho.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6461215#post6461215 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by zukihara
Gorilla crab, bad hydrometer, ph swings, inappropriate rock leeching chemicals, etc. could wreak absolute havoc in a 20g imho.
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I've got to agree with this--I can't even begin to imagine keeping sps in a 20g. Most books I've read recommend 50g as a minimum for stability reasons.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6461215#post6461215 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by zukihara
I also believe you are getting alot of differing advice because it's tough to say for sure when you are 1000 miles away. It's a trial and error process and I wish you luck. There were several replies on this thread where people listed they had problems and eventually found the one weird thing that helped them out.
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Exactly.

Some folks claim to know how everyone should run their tanks ... and mostly, IMO, they're wrong. [they're called `experts' ;)]

Most folks feel like they struggle at times with their own tank [I do] ... and thus don't have all the answers. We can help you as best you can - but if you're looking for a `bulletproof' `cannot-fail' method ... this is the wrong hobby, and especially the wrong livestock.

IMO, if you want a correct answer, you'll have to learn to diagnose things yourself. Or, to set up your tank EXACTLY modelled after someone else's, with exactly the same livestock ... and still there will be differences.

If want easy to diagnose, FOWLR, or mushrooms + softies would give you better luck. Just my take - but don't blame the experts for the fact there's no `one true rule' or `one right method' for Acropora.

Just my take on it ... best of luck :)
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6461320#post6461320 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by MiddletonMark
If want easy to diagnose, FOWLR, or mushrooms + softies would give you better luck. Just my take - but don't blame the experts for the fact there's no `one true rule' or `one right method' for Acropora.

Just my take on it ... best of luck :)
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I dont recall blaming the experts.
 
You didn't, but it's been brought up :)
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6449990#post6449990 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by CeeGee
Why can't these "experts" tell you what is wrong and help you get your tank in order?
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I think it's an excellent point that was raised about why you'll get 45 different suggestions, and no easy answers.
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6461215#post6461215 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by zukihara
I also believe you are getting alot of differing advice because it's tough to say for sure when you are 1000 miles away. It's a trial and error process and I wish you luck.
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I think that these issues are at least part at the cause of this.


I do agree about tank size ... as while there are a number of exceptional [maybe a little luck] reefers who have had stunning smaller Acropora tanks. But personally, I feel like my 58g water volume still swings too much ... that they may be the exception, I just might be the rule to which they're exceptions ;)

Recently I saw a 180 which was running, then added another 100g. IMO within a month the difference was apparent ... from adding nothing more than water volume to the system. I sure would like to do the same to my own system.

Pardon the hijacking ...
 
MiddletonMark

you made it sound like I was being a jerk:)

I was not being ugly in any way. I was just saying that I think someone who knows more could swing by his place and try to help the guy by actually looking at his tank in person.
 
Well I really appreciate all the wonderful advice I have been given here.

Yeah I guess I should just admit defeat and realize that my tank is too small and just give up, but something screams inside me that I need to be successful or I will be a failure in life lol! Rediculous I know.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6459640#post6459640 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by 10" Red Devil
Okay so what would you do if you had a choice would you A. sell off your Remora and grab a Corallife Needle Wheel skimmer or upgrade your Remora with the OceanRunner 1700 pump and needlewheel attachement?

http://www.premiumaquatics.com/Merc...oduct_Code=AM-70005&Category_Code=Oceanrunner

Or if there is some kind of alternative for a relatively comparitive price I am all ears.

Thanks.
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Sell the remora get the superskimmer :) You will be happy .
 
Dude if that illustration in your avatar is any indication of your illustration ability, you fn rock!! I am an artist myself so I can judge! lol!
 
that is definitely an indication. The problem is that it doesn't pay sh__.

I should have been a trash man.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6463280#post6463280 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by CeeGee
that is definitely an indication. The problem is that it doesn't pay sh__.

I should have been a trash man.
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That is what I have heard. To get a good illustration gig, is like winning the lottery. I guess that is why I chose to delve into the world of Graphic Design. I dont know if it pays more, but I just did about 4 months of classes to learn a bit and have probably made about 300k in 6 years that I have been working in it. Although it has been totally less then fulfilling and nowhere near what I thought it would be like (course that could be because of my education). Kinda has fizzled out now though. So I wouldnt neccaserily recommend giving it a try unless you want to become an Art Director and that will require going into debt 100k to go to a school that is well recognized by most employers and will get you a job quick!
 
Reef tanks are like dating women. They are fickle. In the beginning you are involved... you find them fascinating and alluring. Then there is the natural progression. Errors will be made. You don't know what's wrong 'cause at first they won't tell you. They start holding out on ya... i.e., they don't give you the fullest show of their beauty. You see, they expect you to figure it out on your own. Women and reef tanks... they're complicated so you wrack your brain. You try to repair the damage. You make changes, but first you consult your friends for advice. Everyone of them gives you different advice. You buy her Belgian chocolates. You buy your reef tank a new skimmer. You tell her what she wants to hear. You treat your tank how you think it wants to be treated. You ask the essential questions. Some of the answers you will not like. Do this. Don't do that. Reef tanks are like dating women... if your tank feels like "she's the love of your life" then be prepared to be giving of yourself for the long hall!

:D
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6464434#post6464434 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by FunkieReefJunkie
Reef tanks are like dating women. They are fickle. In the beginning you are involved... you find them fascinating and alluring. Then there is the natural progression. Errors will be made. You don't know what's wrong 'cause at first they won't tell you. They start holding out on ya... i.e., they don't give you the fullest show of their beauty. You see, they expect you to figure it out on your own. Women and reef tanks... they're complicated so you wrack your brain. You try to repair the damage. You make changes, but first you consult your friends for advice. Everyone of them gives you different advice. You buy her Belgian chocolates. You buy your reef tank a new skimmer. You tell her what she wants to hear. You treat your tank how you think it wants to be treated. You ask the essential questions. Some of the answers you will not like. Do this. Don't do that. Reef tanks are like dating women... if your tank feels like "she's the love of your life" then be prepared to be giving of yourself for the long hall!



:D
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:lol: Well put!
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6464434#post6464434 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by FunkieReefJunkie
Reef tanks are like dating women. They are fickle. In the beginning you are involved... you find them fascinating and alluring. Then there is the natural progression. Errors will be made. You don't know what's wrong 'cause at first they won't tell you. They start holding out on ya... i.e., they don't give you the fullest show of their beauty. You see, they expect you to figure it out on your own. Women and reef tanks... they're complicated so you wrack your brain. You try to repair the damage. You make changes, but first you consult your friends for advice. Everyone of them gives you different advice. You buy her Belgian chocolates. You buy your reef tank a new skimmer. You tell her what she wants to hear. You treat your tank how you think it wants to be treated. You ask the essential questions. Some of the answers you will not like. Do this. Don't do that. Reef tanks are like dating women... if your tank feels like "she's the love of your life" then be prepared to be giving of yourself for the long hall!

:D
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LOL... and then in the end, the best advice sometimes ends up being "Less is more, keep your hands out of the tank if everything's going well" --The Reef Aquarium, Vol 1

So being a heterosexual woman in love with the hobby, what would be the proper metaphor? Don't find any overwhelmingly complex men I can equate to it.
 
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