Arag alive = garbage

CL8869

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If you don't want to hear me bash this stuff then back out now.

Anyways, I setup my 180 and got the temp and salinity right. Sump running great etc. System is around 215 gallons total capacity, so it takes 50 dollars worth of salt and quite a while to get the heat up to temp and two days of waiting for RO/DI water to be ready to go.

Got that all good to go, and like the bags says just pour it in and then add the magic eraser bag of liquid to clear up the tank.

First off, adding six bags of this crap turned the tank into a barrel of crud. 20 mins later my brand new filter socks were trashed and overflowing. After I woke up the next morning the tank was clear. However the entire system was covered in a white film. Turns out the water clarifier makes whatever the cloudiness is to become larger partials in the water and get trapped in the filter. That's fun. Sencond set of filter socks trashed. Stirred up the sand and let it clear up again while I was at work. Repeated this process for two days every 8 hours stirring up the sand to get the crud out.

Needless to say today I had to dump half the tank while gravel vacuuming the sand to get the cloudy stuff out from there. Then I had to completely remove my 55g sump and clean EVERYTHING Because it was all covered in white crud which would not come off without a fierce cleaning.

So three hours later my tank is now running again with completely cleaned out sand, most definately dead as the salinity is half of what it should be as I'm done wasting salt until I know it will stay clear. Heaters will be working overtime again tonight.

Ticked off, disappointed, and sick of working on my tank? You know it.

What a waste of money and time. Spent 180 on these bags of garbage, then around 30 bucks worth of salt trashed.

Sorry for the vent, hoping someone new wont buy this crud unless they are intentionally looking to trash their tank.
 
I would recommend that when you set up a tank, you fill it with tap water to check for leaks, then drain the tap water, add the rock work, at least the base rock that will be under the substrate, then add the substrate. Once the base rock and substrate is in the tank, start to fill it with freshly made SW. You can't avoid some clouding, but it will go away in a day or two. As Simon mentioned, I wouldn't bother with "live" sand, I think its more just wet than alive anyway. The other factor between the "live" and dry sand is the expense. A 30 lb bag of dry aragonite is currently $26.53, a 20 lb bag of the aragalive is $23.10(including the weight of the water). So, you'd be getting about 33% more sand for the same money. As far as making the substrate "live", I would also suggest using this to activate it, and this after a few months of operation, especially if you're using a DSB. You could also get a cup or two of some substrate from a local reefer, and add it to your system.
 
Precisely why did you not rinse the sand first? Did I miss something?

I use the special grade stuff and it's just full of fine particles. Takes ages to rinse that crap out.
 
Precisely why did you not rinse the sand first? Did I miss something?

I use the special grade stuff and it's just full of fine particles. Takes ages to rinse that crap out.

From what I've read, you're not supposed to rinse live sand...If you do then there's no point in buying live sand cuz you'll get rid of all the good stuff.

I had the same sand and completely agree...that white cloudy film is a pain in the a$$. My rear sump still has it in areas, no fun and wouldn't do it again.
 
BigE is on the money. Glad I am not alone with this.

I added the sand after everything as I have had this tank running for a year FW so I know it is leak proof etc. I just changed to Ro/DI water, added salt, got her to temp and once I added this craptastic sand all hell broke loose.

6 filter socks, 80 gallons worth of salt, and 180 dollars later I think they should be good to go. But I will be doing a DSB in my refugium and I certainly won't be giving them my business again. The fact they sell this crap to people is appalling.

And what really sucks is around here that is all that is sold. I couldn't even find dry sand around here. None of the chains carry it, and the only mom and pop place has this stuff.
 
You are not supposed to pour a ton of any sand, especially live sand to a full tank. Rock, sand second, then saltwater. If can't do in that order, pour slowly using a pvc pipe. So, don't slam a product when you used it the wrong way.
 
I think the big problem was adding the sand after the water.I used dry sand in my tank. But I helped my buddy set up his with arag alive but we added sand first.then slowly added water. I was pretty amazed how littl. Cloudiness we got. Cleared up pretty quick too.anyway not trying to be Monday mourning quarterback what happened to sux. But if anyone is reading this maybe they can use the info.
 
I also added mine after the water was in. First tank ever, mixed the SW in my tank, then added sand, then added rock. Part newb mistake, part laziness of mixing 9 5G buckets outside the tank. Guess that explains the issue.
 
You are not supposed to pour a ton of any sand, especially live sand to a full tank. Rock, sand second, then saltwater. If can't do in that order, pour slowly using a pvc pipe. So, don't slam a product when you used it the wrong way.


Exactly!
 
Assume any sand you get is filled with particles. Rinse well before throwing in tank. Or let the filter socks do it for you over a few days
 
I used this product before I knew better, and all it did was waste a little money. It's not that much more expensive anyway. I didn't pour it into a full tank though. There was some dust for sure, but no biggie. I cleaned the glass a few times and let it resolve itself on the powerheads etc. over a week or two.

You really need to research stuff before you buy it in this hobby. Like you mentioned using live sand for a dsb... I don't think that will work well at all. So maybe the silver lining is you saved yourself a lot of trouble there. Also, it's pretty common to have to buy stuff online, if you limit yourself to what's available locally you won't have many options. There's no way lfs can stock everything we need, especially for setting up a new tank
 
I used 180lb of Arag Alive special grade when I started my 325g dt without any problems at all. Rock went first, then sand, then water. I didn't use the packet they include in the sand bag. If you pour that much sand in a tank full of water, then of course, you will have a very cloudy tank.

fyi, you not suppose to rinse this sand. It is seeded with bacteria, and rinsing it will waste it away.
 
I used 180lb of Arag Alive special grade when I started my 325g dt without any problems at all. Rock went first, then sand, then water. I didn't use the packet they include in the sand bag. If you pour that much sand in a tank full of water, then of course, you will have a very cloudy tank.

fyi, you not suppose to rinse this sand. It is seeded with bacteria, and rinsing it will waste it away.

This is what I do
 
I used ~40 lbs of this in my nano tank with only mild problems with cloudiness. However as soon as the cycle finished (with dry rock) I got a flatworm infestation. I thought it unlikely that they were in the sand but I don't know where else they would have come from.


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IDk I used aragalive sand in the 80 I just setup. Rinsed it in saltwater, put it in the tank, added water and salt, no sand storm on my end.

Even dry sand will have fine particles and create a sand storm if you don't rinse it.
 
I recommend against clarifiers, etc, in a marine tank. Bacteria coating the sand grains and dust will settle it eventually, but the fewer non-scheduled chemicals you can add (scheduled ones are salt, calcium, magnesium and buffer) the better. Personally I've never used live sand or bacteria-in-a-bottle either. But washing it is an all-day proposition for a 100 gallon.
 
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