sps_addict
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I've seen people use the sea swirl...have you also looked at the new wavysea device? It's pretty similar, but supposed to give better coverage.
Are Sea Swirls out now????
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golfish
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For the price of these things they should give better coverage and do water changes..pretty close to double what a SS cost.
Ken,
From what I recall 5 years ago when I bought mine the 1" had a bigger louder motor. I broke one of mine two years ago while trying to replace the barb fitting with a pipe fitting. I sent it back to SS and they pretty much rebuilt the whole thing for 40.00...you can hardly hear em now (I sent back the other just cause they did such a good job)
sps_addict
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Haven't seen the price, just heard that it was the same price as the SS 1".
Kenfuzed
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I understand they are a lot more expensive than a Sea Swirl.
I have a brand new 1" SS that I might mod into a Tunze (or Seio) Swirl. I could get much better flow doing this than what I could ever push through both 1" elbows. My SS is dead silent though I've only run it for a week while waiting to set up my new OM.
I have a brand new 1" SS that I might mod into a Tunze (or Seio) Swirl. I could get much better flow doing this than what I could ever push through both 1" elbows. My SS is dead silent though I've only run it for a week while waiting to set up my new OM.
Kenfuzed
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That's really hard to justify. They seem really cool but not an extra $135 cool :eek2:
I always look at this stuff and ask myself "want or need". Unfortunatley I have somehow ended up with a 60"x24"x24" glass box full of WANT with my girlfriend giving me that "where's the NEED" look. I need to work on either my will-power or my convincing skills to keep me out of trouble
sps_addict
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:eek2: :eek2: That is expensive. That is definitely a lot more than the SS. Not a little more than I was told.
copps
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I've used and continue to use Sea-swirls, Ocean Motions, and Tunzes, and am a fan of all in different situations. Comparing the above three is a bit like comparing apples to oranges, whereas comparing the sea-swirl to a wavy-sea is apples to apples. I upgraded a week ago one of my Sea-swirls to a Wavy-Sea and am VERY impressed with this new device! A wavy-sea does exactly what a sea-swirl does with some major improvements, well worth the ~$70 price difference IMO. You guys can make the call. (At PremiumAquatics.com a 1" SS is $180 and Wavy Sea is $250).
The major differences...
1. Degrees of coverage- I've always been upset with the fact that SS only rotate 90 degrees. The Wavy-Sea can do 1 degree to a full 360 at any spot you want... you set it. This has allowed me to get 180 degrees of coverage on the return to my display as opposed to the old 90 degrees I was getting with my SS.
2. Speed of rotation- The SS has a set speed, but the WS is again adjustable with 6 different rotation speeds. This is again an excellent difference.
3. Maximum flow through- I've always been upset that a SS can only handle 1150 gph in this day and age of our complex sps tanks with pumps running multiples thousands of gallons per hour. The Wavy-sea handles double... 2300 gph. Another huge advantage...
4. Size- One lesser advantage is that the unit itself is smaller and less boxy. It also is much easier to work with and adjust. I've always been paranoid messing with my SS thinking "don't void the warranty" and "how much pressure can I put on this before it breaks"
So, it's a rather simple decision. If you want to save $70 and don't mind only having 90 degress of coverage at a fixed speed with less than 1150 gph going in, than go with a Sea-Swirl. They are great devices. But if the above mentioned things are worth $70 to you, go with a Wavy-Sea. To me it's well worth it...
Copps
The major differences...
1. Degrees of coverage- I've always been upset with the fact that SS only rotate 90 degrees. The Wavy-Sea can do 1 degree to a full 360 at any spot you want... you set it. This has allowed me to get 180 degrees of coverage on the return to my display as opposed to the old 90 degrees I was getting with my SS.
2. Speed of rotation- The SS has a set speed, but the WS is again adjustable with 6 different rotation speeds. This is again an excellent difference.
3. Maximum flow through- I've always been upset that a SS can only handle 1150 gph in this day and age of our complex sps tanks with pumps running multiples thousands of gallons per hour. The Wavy-sea handles double... 2300 gph. Another huge advantage...
4. Size- One lesser advantage is that the unit itself is smaller and less boxy. It also is much easier to work with and adjust. I've always been paranoid messing with my SS thinking "don't void the warranty" and "how much pressure can I put on this before it breaks"
So, it's a rather simple decision. If you want to save $70 and don't mind only having 90 degress of coverage at a fixed speed with less than 1150 gph going in, than go with a Sea-Swirl. They are great devices. But if the above mentioned things are worth $70 to you, go with a Wavy-Sea. To me it's well worth it...
Copps
sps_addict
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Ok, so it isn't too much more then. If it does that than it looks like it is worth the little extra investment. I'll have to add that to my list of things to buy when I upgrade my tank. Thanks for the info.
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6977504#post6977504 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by copps
I've used and continue to use Sea-swirls, Ocean Motions, and Tunzes, and am a fan of all in different situations. Comparing the above three is a bit like comparing apples to oranges, whereas comparing the sea-swirl to a wavy-sea is apples to apples. I upgraded a week ago one of my Sea-swirls to a Wavy-Sea and am VERY impressed with this new device! A wavy-sea does exactly what a sea-swirl does with some major improvements, well worth the ~$70 price difference IMO. You guys can make the call. (At PremiumAquatics.com a 1" SS is $180 and Wavy Sea is $250).
The major differences...
1. Degrees of coverage- I've always been upset with the fact that SS only rotate 90 degrees. The Wavy-Sea can do 1 degree to a full 360 at any spot you want... you set it. This has allowed me to get 180 degrees of coverage on the return to my display as opposed to the old 90 degrees I was getting with my SS.
2. Speed of rotation- The SS has a set speed, but the WS is again adjustable with 6 different rotation speeds. This is again an excellent difference.
3. Maximum flow through- I've always been upset that a SS can only handle 1150 gph in this day and age of our complex sps tanks with pumps running multiples thousands of gallons per hour. The Wavy-sea handles double... 2300 gph. Another huge advantage...
4. Size- One lesser advantage is that the unit itself is smaller and less boxy. It also is much easier to work with and adjust. I've always been paranoid messing with my SS thinking "don't void the warranty" and "how much pressure can I put on this before it breaks"
So, it's a rather simple decision. If you want to save $70 and don't mind only having 90 degress of coverage at a fixed speed with less than 1150 gph going in, than go with a Sea-Swirl. They are great devices. But if the above mentioned things are worth $70 to you, go with a Wavy-Sea. To me it's well worth it...
Copps
sps_addict
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I've read about ppl wanting to do that and am interested in seeing how well it works. Keep us informed Ken. You still have an awesome tank none the less.
You still have an awesome tank none the less.
Leopardshark
New member
Guys, do you know where can I contact the people at SS??
One 1" ss just died on me last month and want to get it fixed.
Thanks
Marco
One 1" ss just died on me last month and want to get it fixed.
Thanks
Marco
gcarroll
Active member
The guys at wavy sea came by our SCMAS club meeting to introduce their new product. That thing is sweet. Far better quality than the SeaSwirl. They are even considering development of an adaptor to mount the Tunze stream. I was very impressed that they were so receptive to our ideas, As for reliability is concerned, They indicated that they tested the units for 2 years before even bringing them to market.
Mchava
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hey folks here is the one I got yesterday at the scmas meeting. Its has not been less then 1hr and I have already connected my tunze 6080 on it. Here is a video showing it in action.
http://media.putfile.com/101_0315
http://media.putfile.com/101_0315
Re: Are Sea Swirls out now????
None of those devices can be used to return water from the sump, only for in-tank flow. The sump return on my tank goes through 2 1" SS and has for 2 1/2 yrs without a hitch.
The new Wavy-sea is certainly for a similar niche and the Oceans Motions could be used for sump return, although they are more commonly used for a CL. So, there is still a place for SS's. If you only need 90 deg of motion and aren't putting huge amounts of flow through them they are still a good deal. For sump return it is usually not a good idea to have that much flow anyway.
Allen
None of those devices can be used to return water from the sump, only for in-tank flow. The sump return on my tank goes through 2 1" SS and has for 2 1/2 yrs without a hitch.
The new Wavy-sea is certainly for a similar niche and the Oceans Motions could be used for sump return, although they are more commonly used for a CL. So, there is still a place for SS's. If you only need 90 deg of motion and aren't putting huge amounts of flow through them they are still a good deal. For sump return it is usually not a good idea to have that much flow anyway.
Allen
ReeferMonkey
Premium Member
This is possibly the funniest thing I've ever read on RC! :lol:
Copps,
Thanks for the breakdown on the SS/WS comparison. I'm setting up a 36x24x18 brick style tank and have been considering the WS for use as either my return or for a CL. The tank is going to be fed by a Calfo overflow (24" wide? with 2 1" drains) on the back wall and I was thinking of putting either a SS or WS on the back fed by my return pump (probably an Eheim 1262). The SS appeals for the cost factor but the WS seems pretty neat. The smaller size is a big plus for me as the tank will be open top and I don't want a huge eyesore in the corner.
The biggest thing I'm debating is the undrilled tank w/ WS/SS + Stream(s) or a drilled tank with a CL and WS/SS. A CL uses more energy (a minor concern) and would require more work to clean but will take more "stuff" out of the tank, leaving more room for corals.
I can't decide...
and I need to order the tank in less than 10 days 
Fliger
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For those of us who have used SS and WS - there is no comparison. From the controller, to the construction, to the versatility, to the options of ways to run them, to the mounting, to the total silence ... they are worlds apart. SS are great, and if you have em already there is little need to upgrade. But if you're looking at a 1" SS new, you really should spend a few more bucks to the WS.
I bought two when they first came out, have been running it for a while. I exchanged one for the WS+ and I'm hoping it gets here soon. They are said to be able to handle 4,000+ GPH. The WS+ was on sale for $249 at Aquarium Specialty, although I have no idea if thats going to last, or just an intro sale, or what - but its a good deal (and an RC Sponsor).
I bought two when they first came out, have been running it for a while. I exchanged one for the WS+ and I'm hoping it gets here soon. They are said to be able to handle 4,000+ GPH. The WS+ was on sale for $249 at Aquarium Specialty, although I have no idea if thats going to last, or just an intro sale, or what - but its a good deal (and an RC Sponsor).
