are there good and bad refractometers?

It looks like the exact same Refractometer???

even down to the label...

that's one of the refractometers i have. it has worked quite well for me. i keep some calibration fluid on hand, and usually try to check it about once a month. it's done well holding calibration so far.
 
Why not just calibrate your hydrometer? Go to somebody with a refractometer (a friend or your LFS) and have them calibrate their unit. Then compare what their refractometer says (let's say 1.025) with yours (let's say 1.022). Then you know your hydrometer reads 0.003 too low. Just add 0.003 every time you take a reading.

I did this with mine (I do own a refractometer but hate using it). Mine reads 0.005 too low and has for the last 6 or 7 years. I used to double check it every 3 months, then every 6 months, then once a year. I quit checking about 2 years ago. They aren't accurate, but they are very reliable and stable.
 
Why not just calibrate your hydrometer?

My answer to this would be that a refractometer is faster, easier, and requires less water. I've never used a hydrometer for reefing, but have used them extensively in brewing.

It takes about 2 seconds to check the calibration on it (which you do need to do regularly), and then about the same to take a reading. Right now, I have my DT, 2 QT, and my mixing station, and I can check them all in about 30 seconds if I need to.

YMMV, but for me, the $20-30 is very well spent as a QoL upgrade for reefing.
 
From when I went around recently looking for refractometers...


Visibly, they all seem the same. Like they use the same physical package. Reviews /widely/ vary.

I got the red sea one, it works.
 
I calibrate mine using distilled water, set it to 0. You have to let it set for 90 minutes for the surface to dry out before using to check your salt water.
 
I calibrate mine using distilled water, set it to 0. You have to let it set for 90 minutes for the surface to dry out before using to check your salt water.

I have never heard of that before. The drying it out part, I mean. I wipe mine clean with a microfibre cloth and I'm good to go.
 
I calibrate mine using distilled water, set it to 0. You have to let it set for 90 minutes for the surface to dry out before using to check your salt water.

calibrating to 0 isn't helpful. you want to use a calibration fluid to do your set point. that way you know you're accurate in the range you're reading.
 
Refractometers have somehow attained a holy status in this hobby. It's unfortunate, because they bring their own issues, and their generally positive reputation is probably not well deserved, since people just assume that refractometer = better and don't bother really learning how to use one.

The most important thing to consider is this. Regardless of the tool you use, getting a good result is up to you. Aside from obvious examples, there aren't bad instruments - there are just bad readings due to improper use.

A refractometer should be calibrated EVERY TIME it is used. Even with no abuse, I've had units drift by 10 or 20% just sitting in a cupboard. I've had brand new units that were off by 50% the first time I calibrated them. I've also had units that were fine for months of use without an adjustment, but clearly there's an opportunity for variability. I don't want to introduce that variability into my system, and calibrating "once in a while" leaves you open to issues when that drift does happen.

Secondly, make sure you understand the proper procedure. For example, take the common blue-bodied auto temp compensating refractometers sold by almost every reef vendor on the internet. These need the sample to sit on the prizim for 45 seconds to equalize temperatures, otherwise it's not accurate. This is printed right in the little instruction sheet that most people probably throw away without reading. I don't think I've ever seen anyone use one of these correctly, and it's unfortunate when people talk about them being "quick to use" as an advantage, when they're basing that comment on ignoring the proper procedure.

Again, the bottom line is this: Pick whatever kind of instrument you want, but make sure you understand how to use it, how to calibrate it, and what common faults it may have.
 
calibrating to 0 isn't helpful. you want to use a calibration fluid to do your set point. that way you know you're accurate in the range you're reading.

Agreed...

I have the ATC and after about 3 1/2 years of use I finally got some calibration fluid (I know, I know)...

Was still spot on...
 
calibrating to 0 isn't helpful. you want to use a calibration fluid to do your set point. that way you know you're accurate in the range you're reading.

Calibrating to zero is better then not calibrating period. It might not be as good as calibrating with cal fluid, but its definitely helpful.
 
If your not measuring for the first time your SG, then you should have some expectation of the value. ATo,s and manual top ups (most doing manual have some fill mark or reference) mean the expectation is what the value should be. The refractometer or any other device is only concurring what we already know....thus if not....time to recalibrate and retest.
 
Calibrating to zero is better then not calibrating period. It might not be as good as calibrating with cal fluid, but its definitely helpful.

i would disagree. wrong is wrong. if you calibrate to 0, but your instrument is off 10% in the range you're reading, you're going to have issues. calibration fluid is cheap and readily available, best to do it the right way and not take chances.
 
How far off would your SG be?
Reference points to estimate SG is a valuable contributor to consistency and stability.
The SG in my tank has not varied at all in 25 years....but I guess if you only maintain once in a while your right, you could be way off....
Most reefers have a good idea of their SG at all times.
 
Don't waste your time on a Hydrometer, if you care for accuracy. (IN THE LONG RUN)

** IF THE AMAZON ONE is ALL PLASTIC (But METAL FAKE LOOK). GARBAGE. I got one and was terribly disappointed. **

I've been in the hobby for over 25 years, and in the Early days, I used Hydrometers. I still have my original two (one small, and one larger).

However, I'm talking about the classic Hydrometer that you fill up with water and the arrow gives you a reading.

They may work for a while with some degree of accuracy, possibly little less accurate depending on the quality of the unit you get.

But in my experience they go bad after a while.

I learned that when my first one went bad, so I got the 2nd one.
Maybe that happened since I didn't properly clean it after use.

I figure it was build up on the floating needed, or something else.
BOTH my hydrometer are NOW off by 0.004 (ie my Water is 1.025) but by hydrometers read (1.021/1.022).

How do I know.
When about a couple months ago, I was lent a REAL (PERCISION) HYDROMETER.
https://www.amazon.com/Tropic-Marin-ATM51002-Precision-Hydrometer/dp/B0002DK1YU/ref=sr_1_sc_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1513140978&sr=8-1-spell&keywords=topic+maurin+hydrometer
This one is accurate to 0.0001, and I tell you it's accurate if you have your water set to 25 degree Celcius, since only a cup or two of of water makes the reading change in a 15 Gallon Garbage can.

Using that TM hydrometer I discovered that even my Refactometer (China Cheapo, all Plastic) was off.

I got the cheapo since my good old quality hydrometer got rusty at the Calibration screw and I couldn't calibrate it anymore. (SO ADVICE, keep the cap on, and don't get salt water on the screw)

But what really bother me was not the offset with the CHINA plastic unit, it was the fact that I got different readings each time, and a light tap would change the ready. SO basically GARBAGE.

I did a test comparing all of them, and bought a SYBON FG100a which was the most accurate, and always gave a reliable/consistent reading.

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But do your own research since another feature is the viewing window range-reading print. Some are tiny (hard to read), other are Larger (Better to Read). The FG100a is in between.
BE careful not to get a Beer Hydrometer since some have a range not for your AQUARIUM NEEDS.

But the TM Percision Hydrometer is dead on.
Not for everyday use. You need a deep pail and you need to get your water to 25 degrees exactly for that 0.0001 accuracy.
And water need to be dead still, while it bobs up and down for 5 minutes, and then settles to give reading.

After getting things right with the Precision Hydrometer....
I made a few bottles of exact Salinity SOlution (1.0250) and now I calibrate my Sybon Refactometer with that.

I also learned that there are two ways to calibrate a Refractometer (based on instructions provided).

1) Calibrating with Pure 0.00 Water (Is off quite a bit. Don't recommend)
2) Calibrating with standard 35 ppm solution (Very accurate, but not dead on)
3) And what I now use calibrating with a solution 1.0250 (that I know is what I want my tank to be) ((* HIGHEST ACCURACY* for refractomer ))


AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST (HOW TO USE A REFRACTORMER PROPERLY):

This is only if you want good reading/need accurate readings.

Since I had made dead-on accurate calibration solution 1.0250 I tested my trusty Sybon many times calibrating it to 1.025 (right in the middle of the line).

TIPS:

0) Rinse your hydrometer sample window with clean water. Wipe dry with paper towel.
1) Rinse your Sample-syringe a few times with RO or TAP water
2) Then rinse your Sample with your tank or made water.
3) Fill the whole area of the Glass hydrometer with a bead of water.
4) NO bubbles
5) The drop the clear flap over the bead (Press down LIGHTLY if needed, but not recommended, redo the flap drop to get a good SPLAT) FLAP will drop nicely only if your hinge is loose, not stiff.
6) There should again be no bubbles or air patches
7) Wait for a while for the temperature of the sample to match the temperature of the refractometer window (1 minute at least)
8) Then look into the viewfinder and get your reading in bright light (Read the same way each time. On blue line, above, below, whatever your fancy)
9) If you can't see the clear blue reading line (Tilt the hydrometer upward, and the line will get DARKER)
10) Of course adjust the focus too if your hydrometer has one (most do)
11) Rinse and dry your hydrometer clean after use

MAINTENANCE:
12) ** IF YOU remove the calibration screw cap for calibration, PUT IT BACK ON and never get screw wet, or else it will rust (Like mine did over the years)
13) ** that hinge on the clear flap is metal and it will rust prevent easy movement, if you wet it rinse it and dry it
14) ** Re-CALIBRATE each time you use it (A small bottle of calibration solution will last your years)


The SYBON I got cost more, but to me was worth EVERY Penny, and cost me less TOTAL COST than all the garbage I bought over the years.

The weird part is the Cheapo China (all plastic Metal looking fake) has the BEST VIEWER PRINT (Large, wide lines, easy to read) but all looks, no works.
I got this one. https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Salinity-Refractometer-Meter-Water-Reader-Marine-0-10-Salt-Aquarium-Test-Tester/32741180326.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.5NGy8d
If you pick it up in a store and compared it to a quality metal refractometer, you'd probably buy it. So that's their sell point (That viewer display).

All the best in your selection.
Hope this reply helps. I actually stumbled on your post by accident. And recently did my analysis/testing so had this all fresh in my head (Photo from a post I did on my Tank Thread)
 
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Personally, I would bypass everything and purchase this:

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...which still needs to be used correctly and calibrated.

There is no magic bullet. No matter what instrument you use, you need to understand it, calibrate it, and use it properly. Using a "cheap" refractometer properly will give just as good a reading as using a hundreds of dollars electronic instrument, when used properly. I'd trust a reading from a $20 hydrometer or a $40 refractometer, when calibrated and used correctly, over that from an expensive electronic instrument of unknown state or usage. In other words, spending more money doesn't give you a better result. Understanding your instrument gives you a better result.

I know I'm beating a dead horse, but after years of watching people complain about salinity readings in this forum, it's pretty clear that a lot of people don't bother learning the basics of measuring salinity because they think they've bought the "right" tool and therefore don't need to think about it any more. I use a cheap ATC refractometer these days, but I used swingarm hydrometers for probably the first 15 years I was in the hobby, and as part of my day job I've written O&M and calibration procedures for using electronic salinity meters in industrial settings - I have no preference for any one tool over another, because it really doesn't matter for our purposes, as long as the tool is used correctly.
 
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