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If you got the money you could put a tank 100ft in the air hanging from cables.
Ok, maybe that is a bit extreme, but I think you can put any size tank on the main floor of a building. Look at hotels that have pools on the second floor above the lobby. I don't think their engineers said it can't be done.
Ok, maybe that is a bit extreme, but I think you can put any size tank on the main floor of a building. Look at hotels that have pools on the second floor above the lobby. I don't think their engineers said it can't be done.
http://www.flaquarium.org/index.html
I'm not sure if it shows it on the website, but if you actually go to the Florida Aquarium, they talk about using NSW, which is all they use.
To get an idea, they have a huge barge that they float out into the Gulf of Mexico so they can get good clean water with a minimal amount of the polution you get near the coast.
Then they run it through a whole bunch of filters to make absolutely sure it's clean.
For as much water as Bill is going to use intially and on a regular basis, I don't think you'd want to just try and back your truck up to the beach, even if he did live near it.
Hell, a 10% water change is somewhere around 2000 gallons. LOL
I'll bet he uses more top off in a week than my tanks hold combined.
Thanks for sharing Bill, and thanks for being the messenger Spazz!!
I'm not sure if it shows it on the website, but if you actually go to the Florida Aquarium, they talk about using NSW, which is all they use.
To get an idea, they have a huge barge that they float out into the Gulf of Mexico so they can get good clean water with a minimal amount of the polution you get near the coast.
Then they run it through a whole bunch of filters to make absolutely sure it's clean.
For as much water as Bill is going to use intially and on a regular basis, I don't think you'd want to just try and back your truck up to the beach, even if he did live near it.
Hell, a 10% water change is somewhere around 2000 gallons. LOL
I'll bet he uses more top off in a week than my tanks hold combined.
Thanks for sharing Bill, and thanks for being the messenger Spazz!!
Beenalongtime79
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Sweet.
Beenalongtime79
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Spazz,
I am constantly surprised by how fast you and Bill are able to finish projects that you have your hearts set on... there must certainly be some aspect of hypomania that links you to one another. Haha
Keep us posted as I'm sure you will.
Peace,
John
I am constantly surprised by how fast you and Bill are able to finish projects that you have your hearts set on... there must certainly be some aspect of hypomania that links you to one another. Haha
Keep us posted as I'm sure you will.
Peace,
John
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I just came across this thread, Wow is that setup sweet. I tried to read all 12 pages but I has to skim some sections. I don't know if these questions were answered but just wondering two things.
1) What is the estimated completion date for this tank.
2) Is this tank for a customer or his personal Tank.
Thanks and I look forward to reading more.
1) What is the estimated completion date for this tank.
2) Is this tank for a customer or his personal Tank.
Thanks and I look forward to reading more.
Chicago
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your engineer is wrong... a 3000 gallon tank will span several joists..
talk to your builder and see the wieght capacity of someof the different joists out there.. you will need to add some extra beeams in the basement below it to shorten the span length.. and then maybe double the joists... but he is dead wrong.. look at the threads here at reef central.. many large tank are on the first floor..
while mine is only about 600 gallons... i am confident that i could have done larger and more...
talk to your builder and see the wieght capacity of someof the different joists out there.. you will need to add some extra beeams in the basement below it to shorten the span length.. and then maybe double the joists... but he is dead wrong.. look at the threads here at reef central.. many large tank are on the first floor..
while mine is only about 600 gallons... i am confident that i could have done larger and more...
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8327791#post8327791 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Alphabet
Get a new engineer, lol.
I once put a wine room UNDER a 3 car garage. They poured the thick foundation walls and set pre-fab concrete beams for the garage floor, then the 4 inch concrete was poured for the finish floor. Just something I have seen done. I would not imagine it to be that feasable for a tank. Just my .02. Love the thread and cannot wait for more pics.
I'm an engineer. Almost anything is possible - but the limits people put on budgets, or size, etc. often reduce design options to the point it appears impossible to satisfy all the restraints.
TriniReefer
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THATS CRAZYYY. Anyways one thing he HAS to do. BUY A GOOD GENERATOR for backup if power goes out
maeistero
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did you bother to read the thread? it's obviously been well covered. i wonder about the house settling. i know our basement was set directly onto over 50ft baserock. it took 9yrs for it to crack, but it did. i was involved in the contracting and the basement was a huge deal, so i saw it done. is there any contingency plan for ground movement? it looks as though the tank concrete will be set on the loose ground in the pics. 3/4" rebar won't solve that, i was thinking there might be some serious I-beams for the actual tank set?
edit: oh hell, now i have a post!
spazz
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8337878#post8337878 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by maeistero
i wonder about the house settling. i know our basement was set directly onto over 50ft baserock. it took 9yrs for it to crack, but it did. i was involved in the contracting and the basement was a huge deal, so i saw it done. is there any contingency plan for ground movement? it looks as though the tank concrete will be set on the loose ground in the pics. 3/4" rebar won't solve that, i was thinking there might be some serious I-beams for the actual tank set?
edit: oh hell, now i have a post!
I don't know about this part but will see what bill has to say about it. I know he is similar with basements cracking and tank support structures so I'm sure the footings are extra large. I noticed that the footings for all the basement walls were at least 2 ft wide. and the walls are 10" thick. there will be over 100 loads of concrete poured into the basement. along with fly ash in the concrete and I think there will be cat glass (not for sure) in the concrete as well. this was all designed by a structural engineer so it should hold up very well.
bklynmet
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I was wondering about settlement myself - then I ran some quick numbers to see if it was possible without having to do extraordinary things like pile driving, drilling caissons, etc..
If on rock - good. On good bearing soil (like sands or gravel) - good. If on soil with predominantly silts or clays... then I personally would consult a geotechnical engineer to estimate the settlement and give recommendations. I'm guessing by the magnitude of the tank, his engineers would have done the homework and consulted a geotechnical engineer if he wasn't comfortable with the soil conditions.
For those reading this thread - I'll explain some of the numbers I came up with: With a tank that is 8 ft tall tank you're looking at 500 lb/square foot of pressure (8ft * 62.4lb/ft^3 = 499.2 psf - assuming evenly distributed) just due to water. This should be well within the limits of soils for their bearing capacity. However, it can still produce settlement - from negligible (bedrock) to constantly settling (soil with lots of organics).
Now what he's doing is not unheard of - people build indoor pools all the time - even on the upper levels of hotels. Just takes a little planning and he appears to be doing it. There are very likely public aquariums probably built with less thought than what's going on with this build.
It stinks when people - with good intentions but not the technical acumen - second guess the work going on. However, asking questions so you can learn more about the project and offer advice is what this forum is all about.
If on rock - good. On good bearing soil (like sands or gravel) - good. If on soil with predominantly silts or clays... then I personally would consult a geotechnical engineer to estimate the settlement and give recommendations. I'm guessing by the magnitude of the tank, his engineers would have done the homework and consulted a geotechnical engineer if he wasn't comfortable with the soil conditions.
For those reading this thread - I'll explain some of the numbers I came up with: With a tank that is 8 ft tall tank you're looking at 500 lb/square foot of pressure (8ft * 62.4lb/ft^3 = 499.2 psf - assuming evenly distributed) just due to water. This should be well within the limits of soils for their bearing capacity. However, it can still produce settlement - from negligible (bedrock) to constantly settling (soil with lots of organics).
Now what he's doing is not unheard of - people build indoor pools all the time - even on the upper levels of hotels. Just takes a little planning and he appears to be doing it. There are very likely public aquariums probably built with less thought than what's going on with this build.
It stinks when people - with good intentions but not the technical acumen - second guess the work going on. However, asking questions so you can learn more about the project and offer advice is what this forum is all about.
spazz
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bklynmet thanks for the detailed explination. its nice to have all kinds of different people from differenet backgrounds giving there expert advice on things like this. i think this makes reef central a better place when there are people like you here willing to give there expert advice. thanks spazz
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