BC suggestions..?

tgreene

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Any suggestions for a decent beginners BC that I won't soon outgrow..? I'm looking at the Zeagle Scout w/ alt Octo for $300.

I have an upcoming business trip in Florida, and if all goes well I'm planning o get certified before I head down there, then get my open water cert while I'm there.

Aside from the fins and snorkel, I have everything else already since I'm tank diving to do aquarium maintenance.

-Tim
 
I think the ScubaPro Knighthawk is a great BC, I have been very happy with it. I have seen it in the mid to high $300 range.
mark
 
have you thought about a back plate & wing.you can never outgrow it.you can always modify harness for accessoiries.I would never go back to a bc.have been using bp for years.
Cheers
 
I would wait till you get certified and try a few different ones out. What one person finds comfortable, another doesn't ;) As for quality, you can't really go wrong with any of the major brands. BTW, I don't like the alt air source combined with the BC. I much prefer having my octo as part of my regulator rig.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13750730#post13750730 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by tgreene
Any thoughts on integrated weights vs non-integrated..?

-Tim

They each have their own pros and cons. I've been diving since before integrated weights, so I'm still using non-integrated. The plusses, easy to ditch in an emergency, and when needing to remove your BC underwater you are still weighted. With integrated weights, look carefully at how they are secured to the BC, I've seen friends have problems with some of the different securing methods out there and end up with dangling weights. In some cases they've ended up securing the weights in such a way that they can't be readily ditched. It's a case of some are better than others. When you need to remove the BC underwater, you need to be very sure of hanging on tight as you'll be trying to float up away from your BC while trying to fix whatever caused you to take it off. Still doable, just different. Again, it all goes back to getting certified and trying different ones out to see what your comfortable with.
 
The reason for all of the questions is because our local dive shop only sells and uses the $600 ScubaPro BC's with all the bells and whistles, and I could only assume it's because that's what they WANT to sell to make the margins.

In doing a ton of researching over the past several days since I posted my initial question, I've actually changed my focus and am now looking most seriously at the Cressi "Line" (http://www.leisurepro.com/Prod/CSBL.html) and Tusa "2100" (http://www.leisurepro.com/Prod/TBTJ21.html) BC's, w/o either the integrated weights or alt air features.

Both are lower profile with seemingly good ratings, and neither can be found anywhere around here which leaves mail order only. Leisure Pro is where I bought my Cressi "Ellipse Alaska Titanium" regulator set and my Tusa "Platina-3" gauges.

-Tim
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13751444#post13751444 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by tgreene
The reason for all of the questions is because our local dive shop only sells and uses the $600 ScubaPro BC's with all the bells and whistles, and I could only assume it's because that's what they WANT to sell to make the margins.
-Tim

I think you assumption is correct. Any shop I've been in around hear always has a selection of stuff, from the low end to the high end. Typically they will all push to sell the the more expensive higher profit items, but they will still have the lower cost stuff for those of us without deep pockets.
 
Ill chime in, and Ill admit that I am probably going to sound snobish... I would not spend my money on any jacket style bc. Most have the bladder that wraps around you and when you inflate it squeezes all over the place (too me they are very restrictive), I would much prefer back inflate. There are jacket style bcs that are back inflate but they still have the issue of bulk and buoyancy. All that fabric is buoyant, buoyant gear equals more lead. I have tried jacket bcs and just do not find them comfortable, on the surface they tend to ride up on you. I only dive a backplate and wings now, its a simple 5 lb stainless steel back plate and webbing, plus a bladder that bolts between your tank and plate. This is the most streamlined design, that is better for in the water and also they back really small for travel. If you go from a poodle jacket to BC you can figure you will drop 6-7 lbs of lead between the plate evenly dispersing the wight (not making your hips super heavy) and the lack of all the fabric.

People who haven't tried BP/w say they look uncomfortable because there is no padding, ok no padding on the shoulder straps while you stand on the boat in full gear can be less than wonderfull, but how often are you just standing there wearing all your gear? The only downfall I have seen to BW is if the harness is properly adjusted it can take some skill getting in and out of them easily, in water they are very easy to doff, pull straight up over your head. People say with the wing behind you if you are unconscious on the surface they will make your face go in the water and drown, They are the same as any BC, all bcs say it is a buoyancy device NOT a life preserver. If you have a wing that is oversized, like some POS OMS 100lb lift or even a 50lb lift wing while you are doing resort style diving, and fully inflate the wing it will tend to try to push you forward, but all you do is lean back like you are on a recliner, and it is the most comfy position!

If you are going away for vacation, I recommend you get certified before you go (getting certified is open water) why spend your vacation time following around an instructor demonstrating skills? Do the deed at home and then go do the dives YOU want to do.

I agree with trying different styles of BCs before you buy.

Personally I would steer away from those two brands, and look at some other brands
 
Ill chime in, and Ill admit that I am probably going to sound snobish...

Snob! :D

People who haven't tried BP/w say they look uncomfortable because there is no padding

Now that is funny. Except for a tropical vacation, how often does anyone typically go diving without wearing padding anyway?

People say with the wing behind you if you are unconscious on the surface they will make your face go in the water and drown, They are the same as any BC, all bcs say it is a buoyancy device NOT a life preserver.

The only BC I ever wore that would be sure and float you face up was the old Horse Collar. Remember those? I've still got my old one hanging in a closet for nostalgia :lol:
 
tgreene, the best bc you can buy, is the one you can try out and feel comfortable in. Let me define comfort. Comfort is something that obviously feels good, but more importantly is knowing where everything is, and being able to get to the (bells and whistles) in time of an emergency. Knowing where your dump valves are and other options, are of utmost importance.
Everybody has their own opinion about which BC's are the best. It really depends on what your going to be doing. I have a jacket style Scuba Pro Classic Plus and I love it. My spearfishing buddy switched to a back plate/ wing set up and he likes it better than his old jacket style. It is going to totally depend on what you feel when you try it out for the first time. So my best advice to you is to get in a pool and try out the different styles if your LDS will let you. Most of the major brands are good. Again depending what you're going to be doing, go for one that has a lot of d rings. The more, the better. I like weight integrated, because you can ditch the weights if you need to, and you can put them on just before you jump in the water. A nice feature if you are carrying a big steel 120 on your back, waiting for the boat captain to get you on the right spot. Also, I have had my weight belt fall off me in 100 ft of water. Thank God I noticed it right away, and could get back to it, or I might still be in the chamber. That is something you definitely don't want to have happen to you.
One last thing I'll say concerns the octo inflater vs the stand alone octopus. I love my octo inflater. I wouldn't have it any other way. It is one less hose hanging off you, one less thing to get tangled, and one less thing to worry about IMO. Something else to keep in mind. Some LDS will only service brands that they sell, or that they are an authorized dealer for. Check with the LDS to see if they can perform annual maintenance on the BC you choose. Also, be prepared for them to get salty with you for not buying it from them.
 
The LDS is a Cressi authorized dealer and service center, though they commented that they don't like Cressi...

Them when I took my 2nd stage in to have it tightened up a bit, they commented on how lightweight it was and how much they liked it... Seriously, how can you put something don that you've never seen before, but at the same time praise it for how nice of a piece of equipment it is..?

I just bought the "matching" Cressi Ellipse Octo since I'm using the Ellipse Titanium and LOVE it. It did however need a mouthpiece replacement, since the OEM is/was so small. I added a large mouthpiece with full length bite wings, and it has alleviated all of my jaw pain. This was the primary reason for going w/ the Ellipse Octo, because it will be the same shape and have the same mouthpiece.

I still haven't made up my mind on a BC, but the Tusa is actually leading the pack right now.

-Tim
 
Two of my spearfishing buddies use cressi. They really like the brand, especially the regulators and computers. I don't think you should have any problems with Cressi. I definitely agree that the LDS doesn't instill a whole lot of confidence when they say they sell the brand and then say that they don't like it. Makes no sense!;)
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13800916#post13800916 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Fin Mike
Two of my spearfishing buddies use cressi. They really like the brand, especially the regulators and computers. I don't think you should have any problems with Cressi. I definitely agree that the LDS doesn't instill a whole lot of confidence when they say they sell the brand and then say that they don't like it. Makes no sense!;)
It made even less sense for them to trash something that they had never seen before, and then upon seeing it, comment on how much they like it now that they've actually seen one... ;)

-Tim
 
back plate/wings

There is no point in you wasting time, effort, and money on the other stuff that will eventually lead you to the same conclusion.

:cool:
 
I have tried many brands and I agree go with what fits your comfort levels. Personally I use a zeagle ranger it's extremely adjustable and can fit many different body types. The integrated weight system is very secure and easy to dump. The integrated alternate air source is not for me. I know many people like one less hose but we ran into a situation where we had to share air and try to release air from the bc at the same time I personally will never use an integrated air source again.
 
I own the Knighthawk by Scubapro and love it, my roommate just bough the scout by zeagle, diversdirect.com had it on sale for around 280 I think, he absolutely loves it, it actually seems like a decent bc, lower profile than my knighthawk and better weight system in my opinion...
Danny
 
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