breaking down and setting up an established tank

riotj

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Hey folks

What's the best way to break down and re-set up an established tank with corals fish, etc. I see a lot of complete set ups for sale and I am interested but don't know how to begin. I am guessing stirring the sand will cause some ammonia, nitriite, trate spikes.
How long to wait to add corals, fish? Use the same water?

Thanks

Joe
 
Hi Joe,

Much depends on the travel time involved. If it is just a day or so then it poses little or no problem. About the only thing that will happen is the DSB may lose its de-nitrifying ability for a couple of weeks.

For longer trips preparation is the key. As summer approaches transport containers can overheat if left in a truck. During the winter cold is a problem. Cooling or heating packs are needed. Things like LR and LS need to be kept moist and if LR is left un-submerged for any length of time there will be some die-off. Expect a short cycle in such cases. Arrange to have an establish quarantine tank available before the move and use it to store the livestock until water parameters test out OK.
 
Hi Tom

Thanks. It would only be a few hours at most to the new setup. The quarantine tank would be the problem. Assuming no quarantine tank, what would you do?

Thanks

Joe
 
Sorry to hi-jack this thread, but just curious, I am buying my friends 55 gal tank that has been established for about 3 years from him (he's going away to college), he just lives down my street. Best way to move tank? I was thinking:
Put the live rock in a few ice chests
Put the fish (there are 8) in separate baggies
then break down/set up equipment

My questions:
should I set up a quarantine for such a short move?
I think I have a 20 gal sitting around here somewhere...would that be too small for 8 fish that are 2-4" each for a day or so?
And should I transport his water, or just get all new?

By the way down the street= .less that 1/4 mile
and his sand bed is 3"-4"

BTW I am new to big reefs, Ive had a nano for about 2 years, but this will be my first real tank. . . but I am not completely inexperienced.
 
I hope someone chimes in about usage of the same water. Ill be moving soon.. maybe 3 months. and Im already nervous about it

hijacking as well

can I leave the sand with a lil water in the bottom of the tank, and move it? what reprocusions could there be?
 
1.Do a 100 percent water change,Its going tio be the only time you can do one!!! Trust me,you MUST match water parameters as close as possible,but it can be done and its great for all livestock. Ive done it three times and ahve never had a casualty.

2.Most of the filtration is done by the live rock assuming you have enough. You may go through a small cycle,but it should only last a couple weeks at most.

3.This would be a good time to qt all fish and treat,but for most people this isnt realistic.Good idea but not necessary in my mind. But then agin I'm quaranting everything before it goes in my tank after loosing almost all fish to ick(arrgghhh).

Obviously every situation is different. I'm just giving what i have done before and people I know have done the same thing after I told them to. A friend of mine did lose a couple of s.p.s. when he did it. But in my opinion,they were in bad shape before he tore down.

Sorry for the long post,just wanted to share. Good luck.
 
The qt tank was because on longer moves there will be a short cycle from the rock. This can prove fatal to the fish and corals.

Using the old tank water is not a problem and is often faster than mixing and aging new water. Do have plenty of new water ready to go all the same, accidents do happen and so do ammonia spikes on any move.

IMO the biggest hassle has always been the substrate.
You should never move a tank with substrate or water in it. (yes people do this anyway and many get away with it, but you have been warned of torquing the tank and or tank failure related to the move) Anyway, in the process of removing the substrate it really makes a mess and is normally best to just keep a few pounds of the old, and replace with all new (I am sure that some will debate this method but I prefer it for my moves). You will see what I mean as soon as established substrate is disturbed, if the clouds of detritus do not get you, the smell will.

I have moved a lot of tanks and it is not hard, just time consuming.

The method I prefer above all is to have a small tank setup at the destination that has been cycled to store the fish in until the main display is back in operation.
Even if overcrowded (and seems crowded is better than a lot of room) the fish forget about past issues and get along for some reason. I also keep copious amounts of water ready for changes if the qt tank starts to climb on ammonia. (excessively large HOB, cannister or other add on filter device seems to help if you have access to one)
 
Depending on the size of the tank, distance moved, etc and what you want to do, i.e. add 100% new water, etc. there have been several good suggestions. If you wish to not disturb the sand, then drain the water into several 15 to 20 or so gallon containers (rubbermaid?) (anything larger becomes very heavy and bulky).
Put your rocks, etc into this water. You don't have to "bag" the fish, either. Just put them in there, too. If using rubbermaid containers, be sure and use the lids. This keeps water from sloshing out and gives a little better rigidity/strength to the container. For short moves, you don't need to worry about lighting, temperatures (too much) or water circulation.

Drain the water down to just above the sand depth. If possible, move the tank and stand as one. I would only try this if there is a lip or some way around the stand edge to keep the tank from slipping (as in my 45 hex). This will help keep it from torqueing. But this is/can be very heavy and bulky and you need plenty of help. If done this way, be careful about having a high center of gravity (tipping) during moving/turning. This is the way I have moved my 45 gallon hex. I have not moved anything bigger/longer such as a 55, etc, so doing something that large may not be easy/doable this way. My hex's stand does have a lip around it, so the tank could not slide around and off. Me and my daughter were able to carry it short distances, but it was difficult.

If it is too big, heavy and bulky and not reasonable to move it like this on the stand, then I think I would drain it all of the way and remove the sand. I don't know if I would add this sand back since I do not know what/how much bacteria, detritus, etc would be released. How much that would impact it being set up again, I don't know. I have moved my hex 4 times like described above and have never lost any fish. The shortest move was just a couple of blocks and the longest was about 50 miles (twice). Once, it was done at night in the middle of December so I had a pretty sizable temperature drop, but they all made it.

I don't envy anyone who has to do any kind of a move. I know a lot of movers, carpet cleaners, etc will not touch an aquarium. Best of luck to you folks that have to do this.

Frank
 
My 2 cents comes from moving a 180 gallon tank twice this year.

The more you keep the same the better-- assuming tank is properly established.

I kept 150 gallons of water the first time and 160 the second. Save your back!! I pumped water from the tank directly into unused trash cans that were already on the truck - this sure beat trying to carry 5 gal at a time. Then moved the live rock into the water in the truck.

I kept the sand. I understand the debate here but I merely scooped it into buckets and had no problems during the setup.

Upon arrival at destination I put sand back into tank BEFORE pumping water in. When pumping the water into tank I ran water down the inside of the tank to gently disperse and avoid a sandstorm. Others use a plate for the same purpose.

My tank was clear several hours after the initial setup. The tank did not cycle. I think this is because I kept almost all of the water and kept all of the substrate and live rock wet while transporting.

The hardest part was lifting the tank :)

Have fun and good luck with your move.
 
OK, a few more questions...sorry to hi-jack again. . . . So, how long can 8 fish stay in rubbermaid container? Like I said, I am only moving the tank about 1/4 mile. So If I put these 8 fish in one of these containers with air, how long can they last? Could I leave them 8 hours, or however long it takes for everything to settle?

I like the idea of not having to carry water (I'm moving it from my friends 2nd story apartment) so what if I brought a garden hose to siphon the water to the containers my car...? Is this a bad idea?

Thankss!
 
Oh, and after reading here, I think I may do half old/half new water, sound groovy? Or is that not good either..?
 
siphon hose to car? cool idea :P

8 hours really should not be any issue, if they begin to look distressed you can either scoop water out of the container and just pour it back in (oxygenates very well) or drop in an airstone hooked to an air pump.

the 1/2 and 1/2 thing sounds fine. Just make sure you match the salinity. Before you drop the fish in, make sure that they are acclimated to the temperature. You do not want to take the fish and slam them with a 5-10 temperature difference is all. Put them in a bag and float them for 15 minutes in the tank.
 
So I can use a garden hose? Should I clean it somehow first...? I hope I can, better than carying 60+ gallons of water down two flights of stairs...lol
 
yeah, just buy a lil pump from home depot.. near the sump pumps (for houses) theres a tiny pump, maybe 30 bucks, you connect a garden hose to it, put the pump in the bottom of your tank and it'll suck all the water out. try it in other water first, the pump may have some oil in it.
 
When I changed from CC to Araganite sand I put my fish and live rocks, snails, and crabes, star fish and all in a container with a air pump and heater. Thay were happy there over night and all did good.
 
If you need a pump to siphon water out a second floor window, I think you have bigger problems :)

As about the hose, as long as you had run water through it first and then cleared all the fresh water out, I doubt there is much to worry about. Just make sure you have someone at both ends of the hose
 
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