Breeding for profit?

If you're talking about starting from scratch with no previous experience, I'd imagine you've got a very long road ahead. I would look at opening up a snowball stand if you want to make a profit with 2 years.

I see you live in Toronto. Maybe try a hotdog stand instead.
 
Honestly the only fish you could muster a profit with are some of the designer clownfish, but the market is getting saturated and by the time you actually were producing fish in a scale large enough to make money the profit margin would be significantly lower (and could be a potential loss).

Try freshwater fish.
 
I think most breed fish for the love of it versus the money. Of the few that I knew that did it broke even. Knowing we are taking less and less from the ocean I think makes it worth the trouble. I sure will be happy when someone is mass producing Peppermint Angelfish.
 
You would probably be much better off growing and fragging some "designer" zoas, giving them fancy names and selling those for like 10 times the profit!
 
I think clowns would be a good place to start because so many have already blazed the trail for you. It's still difficult but you can do your best to mimic other's success. Once you have the general practice down, you can migrate to other, less proven species. This is where you will try, fail and then maybe succeed. If you can succeed where there is little to no success (or maybe no one has even tried), that's when you get to see some returns because you get to sell at a price without fear of competition. You'll always need to keep going because people will always be behind you. Success like that doesn't happen overnight...it takes years upon years and most people don't have the drive or means to keep pushing forward.
 
I know several breeders locally. Mostly clownfish. I have to say it's a break even or maybe a slight profit venture. Electricity and keeping live food cultures tend to be the big expense. Not even counting your the time involved. If you're in a warmer climate, you probably can save some on electricity. It gets pretty expensive heating tanks in the winter around here.

Most do it because it's a fun and like the challenge. If they break even, they're happy.
 
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Epic second post;)
Meant constructively, I'm not sure if manning a 15 gallon nano will provide the hobby expertise needed for home rotifer culture, and the vast amount of other advanced skills needed for successfully rearing fish.
 
Not to rain (or snow) on your parade...

It's been said the way to make a small fortune raising fish is to start with a large fortune.

As others have said, you'd be better off with some high end corals. Much easier to get started, not nearly the upkeep or lead time.
 
"designer" zoanthids, "designer" clownfish. Look into freshwater fish, much bigger profit margin with less equipment and up keep cost. power bills, salt, ect.
 
if you have the time [20 minutes every hour]

you can do it and you can learn.

since you are in Toronto, SEAHORSES !

you need to start from now and culture rotifers, learn how to hatch and enrich brine and so on.

then get a pair of seahorses and ....

it will be at least a year before u can raise one though.

you also need tolearn how to make your own salt, buying from stores will not be profitable at the end.
 
if you have the time [20 minutes every hour]

you can do it and you can learn.

since you are in Toronto, SEAHORSES !

you need to start from now and culture rotifers, learn how to hatch and enrich brine and so on.

then get a pair of seahorses and ....

it will be at least a year before u can raise one though.

you also need tolearn how to make your own salt, buying from stores will not be profitable at the end.


make your own salt? Please explain. :-)
 
profit raising clowns= nope more like alot of work, I do it for a hobby and it takes alot of money to run a small setup here at my house. if you think your gonna have tons of money doing it, look elsewhere like open a resturant or go to college and try to become a lawyer,, thats profit/// clownfish beeding is very time consuming and equipment,food etc. cost a butt load!!! Trust me ive been at it for years and no profit at all , maybe i can buy more equipment and go put a little gas but thats all!!!!
 
profit raising clowns= nope more like alot of work, I do it for a hobby and it takes alot of money to run a small setup here at my house. if you think your gonna have tons of money doing it, look elsewhere like open a resturant or go to college and try to become a lawyer,, thats profit/// clownfish beeding is very time consuming and equipment,food etc. cost a butt load!!! Trust me ive been at it for years and no profit at all , maybe i can buy more equipment and go put a little gas but thats all!!!!

This is funny advice because 9 out of 10 restaurants fail in the first 3 years and I have several friends with 60k-100k in student loan debt and law degrees that can't find work. :jester:
 
Alot of people are going to tell you why it wont work, but if you want to why not just set it up as cheaply as possible or at a cost that you can afford and experiment.
 
make your own salt? Please explain. :-)

Yeah I am curious too - making your own salt

What is Seawater

From Randy's article:

An Artificial Seawater Recipe
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For those who are interested, the following artificial seawater recipe is taken from "Chemical Oceanography" by Frank Millero. It makes a recipe that matches 35 ppt seawater in terms of major ions, but does not try to match all minor and trace elements, most of which will be present as impurities in the major elements.

23.98 g sodium chloride
5.029 g magnesium chloride
4.01 g sodium sulfate
1.14 g calcium chloride
0.699 g potassium chloride
0.172 g sodium bicarbonate
0.100 g potassium bromide
0.0254 g boric acid
0.0143 g strontium chloride
0.0029 g sodium fluoride
Water to 1 kg total weight.

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If you buy in bulk and perhaps use de-icers where applicable or other industrial grade sources you may be able to compete with IO prices. If you use food grade sources it will most likely be much more expensive. it would only cost less than IO if you buy in bulk.
 
What is Seawater

From Randy's article:

An Artificial Seawater Recipe
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

For those who are interested, the following artificial seawater recipe is taken from "Chemical Oceanography" by Frank Millero. It makes a recipe that matches 35 ppt seawater in terms of major ions, but does not try to match all minor and trace elements, most of which will be present as impurities in the major elements.

23.98 g sodium chloride
5.029 g magnesium chloride
4.01 g sodium sulfate
1.14 g calcium chloride
0.699 g potassium chloride
0.172 g sodium bicarbonate
0.100 g potassium bromide
0.0254 g boric acid
0.0143 g strontium chloride
0.0029 g sodium fluoride
Water to 1 kg total weight.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------

If you buy in bulk and perhaps use de-icers where applicable or other industrial grade sources you may be able to compete with IO prices. If you use food grade sources it will most likely be much more expensive. it would only cost less than IO if you buy in bulk.

Compared to buying all those salts I think we worked out that IO was cheaper. Especially if you buy it in bulk. I can't remember where that thread was but I remember someone working out the cost a year or two ago.

Although I seem to recall that was using high purity salts. Some of that stuff can be had pretty cheap if you trust driveway de-icer in your tank.
 
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