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Capn, I have something for your thread. I have been telling people for years that DSB technology is flawed and I finally found out why.
I am going out now but I will tell you what the problem is and why do so many people with DSBs have nitrate problems.
They can be easily modified to better eliminate nitrates.
Talk to you when I have time. This is going to be a long post and I think I will make a new thread about it.
 
way to leave us hangin Paul :)

so far no nitrates for me yet but my tank and DSB are only 6 months old.

but if I can cut off a potential problem before it really starts, then I am all ears!!!!
 
I diden't forget about it. I just want to get all my facts straight.
I saw an article that Bob Goemans wrote with some new scientific research which will change some things about the way we understand the nitrogen cycle.
There is a slight change which is the reason so many people with DSBs need to change so much water. A properly running tank should be in equilibrium which means that all the food we put into the system is taken care of 100% by the bacteria in the system.
Including nitrate. I have always said that water changes should not have to be performed to reduce nitrate. Thats why we have bacteria and it was the only reason to "invent" DSBs. If you have to change water to lower nitrates, your DSB is doing nothing.
I have a call into Bob Goemans (He knows me and was at my home to see my tank, many years ago)
I just want to get all my research completed before I put my foot im my mouth. I don't want to give false information like I look exactly like Tom Sellic. Well maybe not exactly.
Bob wrote this after he came to my home in the early ninetees

http://www.saltcorner.com/sections/guest/baldassano/baldassanointro.htm
 
Just read the article in the above post---enjoyed it--you have a great writing style and should pursue it
Who knows you might catch up to Randy's article count :)
 
Capn, I write just like Hemmingway, only different :D

Those articles are all very old. i am writing an article now for FAMMA magazine but I don't know when it is coming out.
I am having picture problems because you need good quality pictures to publish in a magazine and the article is about my tank history which means I have to scan a bunch of old pictures from the seventees. They are not good quality to begin with so I don't know how good scans will come out.
I am not really a National Geographic photographer. :mixed:

you have a great writing style and should pursue it

Actuly, I dn't rite good at all. but i got a grate dauter who is a good edtor. :lol:
 
Capn, here is some new information about DSBs.

Here is the entire article
http://www.instantocean.com/uploade...nowledge/SeaScope/Past/SS_Vol23_Fall_2007.pdf

Quote
"This leads me to believe it’s important
for aquarists to give more thought to the
volume of area that houses facultative
and obligate anaerobic heterotrophs in
closed systems. It should be evident that
the denitrification path in an anoxic
area is of far greater value than the
denitrification path in anaerobic areas.
Since the volume of area accomplishing
nitrification is usually fixed in closed
systemsâ€"near the surface area of live
rock and upper level of the sandbedâ€"in
my opinion it’s wise to concentrate
on how to enlarge the volume of
anoxic zones and reduce the volume of
anaerobic zones. Some possibilities to
consider would include shallow sandbeds
and use of coarse-grained sand (i.e., 2â€"œ5
mm). Minimizing the use of live rock
also should be considered. The Jaubert
Plenum method is another approach,
since it helps maintain the greater
portion of its sandbed in an anoxic
condition(5). In fact, it has been used with
great success in both public and private
aquaria worldwide, either as part of a
new installation or in an interconnected
system(6 & 7).
For more information, please review the
works referenced in this article or visit
my Web site at www.saltcorner.com,
where References 5, 6, and 7 are posted.
References"
 
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Capn, here is some new information about DSBs.

Here is the entire article
http://www.instantocean.com/uploade...nowledge/SeaScope/Past/SS_Vol23_Fall_2007.pdf

Quote
"This leads me to believe it’s important
for aquarists to give more thought to the
volume of area that houses facultative
and obligate anaerobic heterotrophs in
closed systems. It should be evident that
the denitrification path in an anoxic
area is of far greater value than the
denitrification path in anaerobic areas.
Since the volume of area accomplishing
nitrification is usually fixed in closed
systemsâ€"near the surface area of live
rock and upper level of the sandbedâ€"in
my opinion it’s wise to concentrate
on how to enlarge the volume of
anoxic zones and reduce the volume of
anaerobic zones. Some possibilities to
consider would include shallow sandbeds
and use of coarse-grained sand (i.e., 2â€"œ5
mm). Minimizing the use of live rock
also should be considered. The Jaubert
Plenum method is another approach,
since it helps maintain the greater
portion of its sandbed in an anoxic
condition(5). In fact, it has been used with
great success in both public and private
aquaria worldwide, either as part of a
new installation or in an interconnected
system(6 & 7).
For more information, please review the
works referenced in this article or visit
my Web site at www.saltcorner.com,
where References 5, 6, and 7 are posted.
References"

thanks for posting and starting that thread Paul--very interesting.
 
Look closely at the white specs especially on the bottom left. There are about 50 fry. That is what fish snack on all day. And they are all over the place

Fry.jpg
 
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