Carlson or Borneman Surge Device

shyerdj

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The short version:
I was wondering if anyone is using or has used a surge device in their reef aquarium and could share their knowledge and experience about what works and what doesn't work.
Carlson Surge Maker

The long version:
I have been reefing for about a year now and I have a 40g MT with a 20g sump as my first reef tank in order to learn and hopefully not financially kill me. I've been bitten by the reef'n bug and now I love to daydream about my next and much bigger tank after college. While browsing CyclistMT's 300 Gal Plywood and Glass Build there was a video that showed the output of a surge that was integrated into his 3D background. I've never heard of a surge tank so I immediately went right into researching on how to make a surge device for my tank. I am in love with the idea of a surge device in order to create an ebb and flow of the ocean that i could not achieve using my return pump and power heads. My Jebao RW-4's do have some oscillation but nothing as cool as the surge.

What I read on RC is that I can make a surge device go up as much as my overflow is rated for which is 600gph but I am unsure as to if that is wise. I was under the impression when picking out equipment that no more than 10x should go through the refugi and to keep flow around 3-5x MT size. After doing some number crunching I came to a value of 100gph for a surge volume no more than 200gph more through my refugi; which is like 1.66-3.33gpm. I'd limit myself to ~2g for now mainly because I'm unsure if my refugi can hold any more than that when everything is off. Is a ~2g surge once every minute even worth it? Will it even have an affect on a 40g tank?! Although... an extra 100gph/40g is an additional 2.5x flow through the MT and more randomized flow can't be a bad thing, right? Should I just save a portion of my tax return for a gyre instead?!
 
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surge device not apropos for the typical home display

surge device not apropos for the typical home display

Unless you're Bill Wann.

Consider the splashing around, salt creep and potential for mechanical mayhem vs what would be achieved.
For a 40 I would go with two Vortech MP10's.

But that's just me :smokin:
 
I'm not one to discourage people either Gary, but the advent of Vortechs and Gyre pumps have made it easy.

Not sure what the Wav pumps are capable of, but lots of options out there these days.
 
Like I said, I'd never discourage anyone from trying something. However, the programmability of the newer pumps on the market may make some of the old school grass roots innovations obsolete. To each his own. Reefing is a journey, not a destination.
 
Years ago, I attempted a surge to run on one pump in order to limit all the devices needing to be plugged in and mainly for the challenge. I was able to successfully make it work on my display. It was a fun project and one I learned a lot from, but between all the suction noise and micro bubbles, I'm finding the vortechs I have work so much better.

If you're still determined to give it a shot, good luck and I hope you are able to come up with a great design.
 
Kent finally did away with them for the same reasons Gary mentioned. He ended up with koraillas (sp) before he got rid of the tank, sold the house and moved to South Carolina
 
ty everyone for the input. I believe I have a clear picture now. Any type of surge that I could make for a 40g would create more problems then solutions like the bubbles, ato, salt creep, etc. There are definitely some really great pre-programmed wave pattern profiles on the apex for the Vortech and Neptune Wav pumps. There is even a way to interface the MaxSpect gyre's to the apex. All of those upgrades are going to be costly and maybe worth their weight in gold. My roommate gave me his old Jebao to apex linkage adapter that he had laying around. I spent some time last night reworking my apex profiles and program for the jebao rw-4's by including a virtual timer for a surge profile and i also made other wave profiles for dusk&dawn, night, and 2 others for daytime operation. It was definitely something new and exciting to learn and play with last night.
 
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