Chad's Simultaneous 225 SPS & 180 FOWLR Office Build

Thanks guys!

Matt, I think the foam might be doing the trick on your set up.

Here's some updated pics with sand and the Vortech on the right.

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Thanks Dave! Those are actually Lumenbright mini's.

I've made some progress, but not much. I'll post an update with some pics soon.
 
Hey guys! Been a while..

Not a lot to report I'm afraid. Been very busy with work and the holidays. I've also been waiting on a sump for the 180. Can't really get started without the sump.

I fixed the Oceans Motions 4-way problem. It had been shaking every 15 seconds, making a bunch of noise. Paul had me drill some holes on the solid parts of the drum to relieve some water pressure. Result is, there's less flow on the open ports, but no more shaking. So I'm happy.

I got my first lesson in dipping and quaranteening corals. I lost a green digitata to Monti eating Nubibranches. I noticed some recession on the base. On closer inspection I found egg clusters. I tossed it and dipped all my corals in revive. Haven't seen any evidence of them in over a week. Hopefully I dodged a bullet. We'll see.

The digitata was one of several corals I picked up at a frag swap. I didn't have anything to dip them in at the time. My tank was practically empty so I figured there wasn't that much of a risk.

I've decided to convert my nano to a coral quaranteen tank. Add that to my to-do list.

I also handled the heat from the halides. I installed 4 clip-on fans. Three in the canopy (one for each bulb) and one over the sump. They're on a timer that starts them an hour after the lights come on, and turns them off an hour after the lights have turned off. The temperature only goes up a half a degree. Looks like I won't be needing the chiller lol. None of this would be possible though without my auto top off system. It was a lot of work to get everything dialed in but it was SO worth it.

I received an email from a fellow RC member. Thought I'd post his questions and my answers in case anyone else had a similar question:






Hi
I was reading your thread about your tanks at your office. I am also building a tank at my office. 180 inwall. I cannot decide between glass and Acrylic. The acrylic would be custom and cost me $1000 more then a starphire oceanic standard size tank. I am planning to keep this a softie tank with fish. I want to keep it as simple as possible.
I see you went with acrylic and glass. Seems like you did not like acrylic , do you still feel this way? Can you give me advice?
It alos looks liek you used 2 Vortex on the back of the tank? I was thinking of using one and pointing it the long way of the tank. How is 2 at the back pointing forward working? Do you keep them throttled back?
My idea if I go glass is to have 2 seaswirls at the back from the returns and a vortex or maybe 2 at the back like yours.
If I go acrylic it will be drilled for closed loop.
Thanks
Tony





Tony,

Glad you ask. Wish I could talk to me 6 months ago lol.

As far as glass vs. acrylyc, I prefer glass. Thing is, the answer isn't that simple.

My acrylic tank was very easy to work with. Very light, very easy to drill. It's very clear right now but it's also very new. I haven't caused any major scratches just yet, but small ones are popping up all over the place. I have no idea how or when I caused them. I haven't even started using a magnet cleaner. I'm satisfied with my acrylic tank but I do wish it was glass. Just because I know there'll be many more scratches to deal with in the future. I also don't like how carefull I have to be all the time.

There's something to be said about the safety factor of an acrylic tank. Acrylic tanks have less of a chance of leaking or blowing out on you. That doesn't mean however that acrylyc tanks are bullet proof. I've seen several pictures of acrylic tanks that have busted a seam.

That's why I say if you're going to go glass, buy new, and buy from a high quality builder with a warranty. I rarely hear of problems with the better built glass tanks. I've heard plenty of horror stories with brand new glass tanks blowing out and causing thousands in damage.

My glass tank was made by Lee Mar. The build quality is excellent. The empty tank alone is a work of art.

Now glass is heavier. It's more difficult to move around and work on. You have to ask yourself though, how much time are you going to spend moving your tank?

I have yet to fill my glass tank with water. I'm still waiting on the sump. So I can't tell you if I like having two vortechs on the back. I'm confident though that I'll be happy with it. I own a vortech already and I love it. More than enough flow for a 2' x 3' area, trust me.

If I was doing an in-wall I would place the pumps on the sides. The only reason I'm placing them on the back is to hide them. My tank is 3-side viewable. I don't want to see pumps hanging on the sides. You'll see when you get the pump though. It doesn't matter which way you point them. They create flow everywhere.

I will never build a closed loop ever again. Very energy inefficient and a major pain to install and maintain. Save yourself the hassle, don't do it.

I also wouldn't waste money on sea swirls. Use that money to buy another vortech. I bought two sea swirls and ended up selling them. That one's up to you though. I don't think you need them but they wouldn't hurt, they're aren't a bad product. Just more money spent, one more thing to install, one more thing to break. Also, I'd focus less on getting flow from your returns. I've found that low flow through the sump is best.

I spent a lot of time, energy and money on several methods of flow. The Vortech is by far my favorite. Build your tank around it and you'll be happy.

Also, get a eurobraced tank. The center brace on my acrylic tank sucks.

Regards,
Chad
 
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Words of wisdom Chad. Tony, as another office reefer, I am +1 on glass and no CLs with minimal drilling , use VorTech s and maybe Tunzes where ever you can and you'll be happy.

Glad to hear you're busy at work!

Gotta pay for reef'n somehow!
 
Thanks for the help. It looks like glass Oceanic will be the way I go with no CL. I will start with just the return and 1 Vortech and see how that goes if needed I will add one more Vortech.
You mention about flow rate through the sump. I was thinking of about 1200gph through my sump. the two overflows in the oceanic each handle 600gph. My sump will be 48x18x17. Sump will have BubbleKing 200 mini.
How does my sump flow rate sound?
Thanks
This thread was so helpful for my upcoming project.
 
Glad to hear it was helpful! That's why it's there =)

Regarding your overflow and turnover rate. First of all, it's never a good idea to push an overflow to the max. Your drain can get clogged and cause a major flood.

I would honestly shoot for around 800 GPH. That should be plenty of water to keep your skimmer busy. That's really all you need. I think your skimmer is rated for 800 GPH. Any more than what your skimmer can process is a waste. You'll get more dirty unprocessed water making it's way back up to the tank, more micro bubbles and more electricity used if you go with 1200 GPH.

For a softy reef, I think 800 GPH turnover through the sump and two vortechs will be perfect. You'll probably need to turn down the vortechs. I would save your money and go with fixed nozzles on your returns. Like I said the sea swirls are nice, but not necessary when using vortechs. Vortechs have a built in wireless controller that will give you all kinds of options.

If you want more velocity out of each return, size them down at the very end and make sure your pump can handle the pressure. I'm thinking 3/4" piping down to 1/2" at the end. Assuming you have 400 GPH shooting out of each. Or go with 3/4" nozzles for a broader more gentle flow.
 
Thanks
At that flow rate I can go with my favorite return pump, the T4.
Otherwise I was going to go with Uno Tarpon.
The t4 makes heat but that will be good in this building, and in the summer i will have a chiller.
Your saving me all kinda expenses.
 
Still no pictures, sorry guys.

I got the refugium set up with a 3" deep sand bed.

I decided to ditch the filter sock. I added a bunch of live rock to that chamber instead. As well as a bunch of hermit crabs. I'm going to give that a try for a while. I just got sick of cleaning the sock all the time. I'm hoping the natural approach will keep nitrates down.

I added 2 yellow tangs and a purple tang at the same time. Most of the time they school around together. Every now and then they'll get into little postering fights. Nothing major though.

I put together a fish list:

2 Medium/Small Yellow Tangs
Medium/Small Purple Tang
Medium/Large Blue Tang
Large Male Blonde Naso Tang
Juvi Chevron Tang
Small Sohal Tang
Medium Powder Blue Tang
True Percula Clown Pair
Black Percula Clown Pair
Female Leopard Wrasse
Male Hawaiian Flame Wrasse
Six line Wrasse
Royal Gramma
Helfrichi Firefish Pair

What do you think?
 
That's a lot of tangs. But a great list! Although I really like em, I'd ditch the sohal as that naso is gona need the room.
 
I also took the super dart impeller out of the return dart and replaced it with the regular impeller. There was just too much flow going through the sump.
 
I found a large, but not TOO large blonde naso tang with long streamers. He's much bigger than I'd planned on but there was just something about those streamers... I couldn't resist.

I decided to take out the weaker of the two yellow tangs. He was getting picked on quite a bit. Space is going to be at a premium now with the large naso so I don't want to double up on any fish, except for the clown pairs of course. Here's my new list:

small/medium yellow tang
small/medium purple tang
large male blonde naso tang
medium/large blue tang
small chevron tang
medium powder blue tang
True Percula Clown Pair
Black Percula Clown Pair
Female Leopard Wrasse
Male Hawaiian Flame Wrasse
Six line Wrasse
Royal Gramma
Helfrichi Firefish

I might add some anthias' or another wrasse. That's it for the big fish though.

I really like that I'm limited to reef safe fish. I went overboard with my 135 trying to own every fish I thought looked cool. Can you say overstocked? lol
 
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