Cloudy water. Added sugar 18 hours ago.

[KB3MMX]

WOW !!!

This thread has my head spinning.....lol

I have been doing 20% Weekly water changes(RO) in my 28G nano, should I stop doing this?
I haven't had any problems with nitrates, phosphates, etc. building up but am I just wasting water...??

 

[Zoom]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12775206#post12775206 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by KB3MMX
WOW !!!

This thread has my head spinning.....lol

I have been doing 20% Weekly water changes(RO) in my 28G nano, should I stop doing this?
I haven't had any problems with nitrates, phosphates, etc. building up but am I just wasting water...??

No....... keep on doing what works for you .

 

[Slakker]

Water changes are (almost) never a BAD thing.

 

[IridescentLily]

Wow, as a newcomer I learned so much from this thread!

 

[CyanoMagnet]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12775206#post12775206 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by KB3MMX
WOW !!!

This thread has my head spinning.....lol

I have been doing 20% Weekly water changes(RO) in my 28G nano, should I stop doing this?
I haven't had any problems with nitrates, phosphates, etc. building up but am I just wasting water...??

Noway. Waterchanges are deffinetly the right thing to do to maintain a tank.

 

[miwoodar]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12774573#post12774573 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Peter Eichler
Lastly, it's quite possible, maybe even likely that amino acids are utilized so quickly by various other organisms in an aquarium that dosing amino acids could be pointless depending on the system and the amount of the dose. But those small oraganisms could in turn be more nutritious food for certain corals...

You know, mesocosm has mentioned that idea before. You are completely right. We really don't know what exactly is going on. The processes are definitely not well defined at this point. All we can do it speculate and guage our ideas by looking at other peoples experiences.

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12774573#post12774573 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Peter Eichler
Undetectable nitrates does not really equal a low nutrient system.

Right. Nitrate concentrations in the ocean are orders of magnitude less than our test kits can measure. What we consider to be extremely low through our crude testing could still be extremely high relative to the environment we wish to mimic.

KB3MMX - I agree with the other folks. Water changes are a good thing.

 

[CyanoMagnet]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12774573#post12774573 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Peter Eichler
There's almost no evidence to suggest that corals uptake and benefit from amino acid dosing. Amino acids are one of those things that came along in this hobby because of some misinterpreted scientific articles. We're not even sure if all corals are capable of utilizing amino acids from the water column and feeding proper size foods in more often would probably replace any need for amino acids by corals in ultra low nutrient systems since corals synthsize their own amino acids. Those corals that have been shown to take in amino acids from the water column do so at a very slow rate. Lastly, it's quite possible, maybe even likely that amino acids are utilized so quickly by various other organisms in an aquarium that dosing amino acids could be pointless depending on the system and the amount of the dose. But those small oraganisms could in turn be more nutritious food for certain corals...

In short, just because you have undetectable nitrates does not mean you need to dose amino acids. I've had undetectable nitrates for many years and have had no issues without amino acids. Undetectable nitrates does not really equal a low nutrient system.

I read your post earlier. Did some research. And you're right. I can't find any solid evidence that AA does diddly in my tank.
There is so many things getting thrown around these days it will make anyones head spin. But hear/say is going around , and some people are seeing nice colors using these AA. Also , I think the danger of wiping out all nutrients using carbon is very real according to alot of literature I have read. In this case, AA may do something. I am no chemist but it does seem like a little protection from that. It might not do anything at all like you said.
But as long as it does not harm the system, I am ok with it.

 

[TXAlbert]

can i dose tequila

 

[IndyReefMan]

Here are some interesting articles on Amino Acids that I found thru a Google search:

http://www.springerlink.com/content/r2154u42657334h4/

http://jeb.biologists.org/cgi/content/abstract/211/6/860

http://espace.library.uq.edu.au/view/UQ:35559

http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/74000446/abstract?CRETRY=1&SRETRY=0

 

[stevedola]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12773886#post12773886 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by CyanoMagnet
Lets play a game.. Pick the one that does'nt belong here.


A) Vodka

B) Sugar

C) Baking powder

D) Synthetic salt

D) Cyanide


Survey sez.................

E) fuschia red

stop trying to antagonize people

 

[Tang Salad]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12773949#post12773949 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Slakker
Here's something else to roll around for a while...if carbon dosing boosts beneficial bacteria populations, would it be at all helpful in reducing cycle duration?

I think the catch here is that carbon dosing works best when you are also adding bacteria with the carbon. This is how it's done with Prodibio, Polyp Labs and (IIRC) Zeovit. So you add not just alcohol/sugar/carbon, but also add living bacteria to diversify and raise the in-tank population to take advantage ofthe higher carbon.

And FWIW, I started a tank with the PL system and it did cycle fast. And the N03s and Po4s also dropped to near zero very fast. Water clarity is great as are the coral colors.

So if the OP is still reading, I stand by my Page 1 advice:

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12753970#post12753970 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Tang Salad
If you're not familiar with what your doing, then going for a probiotic "set" would be a lot easier. Try either Polyp Labs or Prodibio; they take a lot of the guesswork out, and also include the AAs you need in a bacteria/carbon-driven system.

 

[CyanoMagnet]

I am reading. And intersting. I have not made up my mind about the whole mono culture fear yet. I just don't want to get envolved with another pricey supplement. I will check it out thoe, thanks for the post.

 

[KB3MMX]

Thanks guys, I just read the WC article from Randy again, it looks like my approx 20% weekly changes should be way more then enough to keep things happy....as it seems to indicate so far from testing, etc....
I originally only looked at the monthly value but then realized(lol) that I was actually somewhere in the 60-70% or so area for the month....using my curent WC schedule.

Interesting thread !!


---Chuck

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12775946#post12775946 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by CyanoMagnet
Noway. Waterchanges are deffinetly the right thing to do to maintain a tank.

 

[tkeracer619]

At first I thought Mikes troll spray worked..... Then I realized it was moved on. :lol: Awesome Spray