Ron Popeil
Love them clownfish.
here is a fun game: is this wyoming white or blacker ice?
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Thats just argument bait right there.
BonsaiNut
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Ron is baiting us
Just like our fishies, will we rise to the bait? It is certainly much MUCH more difficult to create a perfect wild-caught holotype than a misbar. If you told me that clown was from a breeder somewhere, I would be extremely impressed. In my opinion it has that perfect look that only comes from the ocean.
Rippinfrags
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Because Todd is insinuating that "real" clownfish can only be wild caught. Since Everyone else loves to throw out there opinion every chance they get the opportunity, I will do the same. I personally dislike wc fish because they come from the ocean, I strongly prefer captive bred fish and especially enjoy designer clownfish!
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He is insinuating that some clownfish are real, and apparently there are some impostor clownfish out there. I would believe that he is specifically targeting designer clownfish when saying that some clowns are fake. The above is a beautiful fish, i completely agree with him on that part, but I think it's wrong to call some clowns fake simply because their breeding was influenced by humans. If your going to say that then you would have to agree that all domestic dogs are fake as well as cattle,horses,cats, etc. They are not fake they are just as real as any wild animal.
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I'm relaxed. She asked me why I thought your statement was argument bait and I told her.
BOOOOO to designer clowns.
Alot are sick with gill flukes, stubby faces, hump heads, that is just what we can see from the outside.
Technically they are not real clownfish, they are man made hybrids.
Some of these fish look terrible and thats what people are clamouring for.
150 bucks for a fish that cost just as much as the regular perfect clown to produce.
People in the past would cull this fish or sell them for cheaper.
This is very easy hobby to make some quick cash from and then split.
Alot are sick with gill flukes, stubby faces, hump heads, that is just what we can see from the outside.
Technically they are not real clownfish, they are man made hybrids.
Some of these fish look terrible and thats what people are clamouring for.
150 bucks for a fish that cost just as much as the regular perfect clown to produce.
People in the past would cull this fish or sell them for cheaper.
This is very easy hobby to make some quick cash from and then split.
jt_milstead
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To each his/her own.....
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Many designer clownfish are not hybrids. A hybrid is a mix between two different species, and are usually sterile. They are not man made, but rather influenced by humans through selective breeding, but so are the vast majority of domestic animals, like I stated above, if your going to say that designer or captive bred clownfish are not real, then you would have to agree that domestic dogs are not real, but this is simply not true. It may be true that many have deformities from improper rearing, but that holds true with all captive bred clowns and should not be held against them simply because it's believed to be the breeders fault not theirs. I don't understand your logic behind this statement "Technically they are not real clownfish". How is a wild caught clown any more real than a captive bred clown?
Let me rephrase that.
They are not real in the sense that they are not recognized as a seperate kind of clown. They are either percula or ocellaris or in some cases a mix of percula and ocellaris.
People have given them names and monikers to distinguish them as a seperate kind of clown. It goes along the same lines as LE corals.
So when someone says i have a wyoming white or whatever they are describing nothing but a physical trait.
Its not like dogs where breeds are recognized and are bred to serve a specific purpose. (Which isnt true anymore)
Bull dogs come in different colors or patterns but each pattern is not labeled as a different dog. These fish are being labeled as a different fish.
The worst part of all of this is that these fish cost no more then their full barred counterparts.
They are not real in the sense that they are not recognized as a seperate kind of clown. They are either percula or ocellaris or in some cases a mix of percula and ocellaris.
People have given them names and monikers to distinguish them as a seperate kind of clown. It goes along the same lines as LE corals.
So when someone says i have a wyoming white or whatever they are describing nothing but a physical trait.
Its not like dogs where breeds are recognized and are bred to serve a specific purpose. (Which isnt true anymore)
Bull dogs come in different colors or patterns but each pattern is not labeled as a different dog. These fish are being labeled as a different fish.
The worst part of all of this is that these fish cost no more then their full barred counterparts.
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If you are not in the market for these fish (which you clearly are not) why would you care about the price? If they were cheaper would you buy them?
The reason for this price is the reason any good is priced the way it is. Simple economics, supply and demand. There is a limited supply and a very high demand. Any good is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it. If these designer clownfish were sold for cheaper prices comparable to what people pay for a regular Percula or a regular Ocellaris they would sell out quick, and there would be a shortage. Suppliers main goal is to maximize profit, and nobody can blame them for that.
So according to you everything of the same species should just be recognized by the name of the species? So would you believe that because humans are all the same species we should all be recognized as H. sapiens? or would it be more appropriate to divide us up into groups that distinguish our physical differences such as races? Just because these clowns are the same species does it mean they all should be sold as simply "Amphiprion Percula" or "Amphiprion Ocellaris" even though there are obvious physical differences? I would have to say no. Sorry Reefvette, you are highly respected in my eyes, but i have to disagree with you on this.
D-Nak
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Wait... is that the long tentacle or short tentacle FRBTA?
