maddhugan
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huh
huh
Enlarged Gill plate and flat head? never even thought about that. It kind of makes sense now.
huh
Enlarged Gill plate and flat head? never even thought about that. It kind of makes sense now.
Clownfish FS
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D-Nak
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These are nice looking clowns, but they're not Onyx clowns. Onyx clowns need to have black that completely fill in between the white lines. I'm not sure if these are full percula, but based on pupil color I'm wondering if they're a percula/ocellaris hybrid (possibly Darwin mixed in?). Black Photons that never filled in? Regardless, they look nice. GLWS.
D-Nak
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LOL@maddhugan: time to be schooled
LOL@maddhugan: time to be schooled
Vincent summed it up quite well, but I can also add the following:
1. It's my understanding that both ORA and SA have sold clowns to Petco at one point or another. If you've been to a Petco and have seen their clowns, most of their percula and ocellaris look terrible -- flat heads, severe underbite, flared gills, tails kinked (pointing up), small pectoral fins, short dorsal fins, etc. It's almost as if many of the culls are sent to Petco.
2. If potential buyers are willing to spend $100+ on clowns, many will want to know where they came from/who bred them. High-end clowns from private breeders can go for hundreds of dollars, and breeding pairs in the thousands.
3. Onyx clowns in particular have a very defined lineage. They originated from C-Quest, and if the lineage can be traced back to as close as possible to the original pair, then they are worth more. Unfortunately, many C-Quest pairs have been inbred, which led to permanent deformities (defects not caused by rearing conditions). Some breeders are working with wild onyx (not capitalized as only C-Quest Onyx clowns are capitalized) and C-Quest Onyx pairs with the goal of breeding out some of the defects. I am always on the look-out for wild onyx clowns and will pay a premium for them.
4. As I mentioned in my previous post, learning about lineage can also determine if the fish is even an Onyx or not. There are many lookalikes these days that are actually hybrids, with the black color coming from Darwin ocellaris instead of being 100% percula.
In short, many buyers don't care about lineage since they're just looking for a nice looking pair of clowns, and that's totally fine. But other buyers -- and for some reason this particularly affects buyers interested in Onyx clowns -- definitely care where they came from/who bred them because it really does uncover quite a bit of valuable information. And finally, many hobbyists typically want to learn as much as they can about the hobby, and that includes the little nuances that come with different types of clownfish.
LOL@maddhugan: time to be schooled
Vincent summed it up quite well, but I can also add the following:
1. It's my understanding that both ORA and SA have sold clowns to Petco at one point or another. If you've been to a Petco and have seen their clowns, most of their percula and ocellaris look terrible -- flat heads, severe underbite, flared gills, tails kinked (pointing up), small pectoral fins, short dorsal fins, etc. It's almost as if many of the culls are sent to Petco.
2. If potential buyers are willing to spend $100+ on clowns, many will want to know where they came from/who bred them. High-end clowns from private breeders can go for hundreds of dollars, and breeding pairs in the thousands.
3. Onyx clowns in particular have a very defined lineage. They originated from C-Quest, and if the lineage can be traced back to as close as possible to the original pair, then they are worth more. Unfortunately, many C-Quest pairs have been inbred, which led to permanent deformities (defects not caused by rearing conditions). Some breeders are working with wild onyx (not capitalized as only C-Quest Onyx clowns are capitalized) and C-Quest Onyx pairs with the goal of breeding out some of the defects. I am always on the look-out for wild onyx clowns and will pay a premium for them.
4. As I mentioned in my previous post, learning about lineage can also determine if the fish is even an Onyx or not. There are many lookalikes these days that are actually hybrids, with the black color coming from Darwin ocellaris instead of being 100% percula.
In short, many buyers don't care about lineage since they're just looking for a nice looking pair of clowns, and that's totally fine. But other buyers -- and for some reason this particularly affects buyers interested in Onyx clowns -- definitely care where they came from/who bred them because it really does uncover quite a bit of valuable information. And finally, many hobbyists typically want to learn as much as they can about the hobby, and that includes the little nuances that come with different types of clownfish.
MMacro
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This picture was taken a while ago
They did get some more black. They were sold to me as black onyx clowns. What would be a fair price for them?
D-Nak
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I personally think your asking price of $100 is more than fair. :beer:
MMacro
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Awesome, thanks!
I also see in your summary that you are using ecotech radions with T5 supplimentation. How is that working out for you as I might also go this route?
Thanks
D-Nak
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I actually stopped using the T5s. I was mainly using them for SPS to take advantage of the UV that they provided. However, I upgraded one of the G1 Radions to a G3 which provides UV, and planned to upgrade the second one as well. At the same time I had an SPS crash, so the tank became more of a LPS, zoa/paly, and anemone tank. Therefore, I didn't think the T5s were necessary.
Once I clean up the tank and get it ready for SPS again, I'll probably start using the T5s again. I liked the colors of the SPS when using the Radion/T5 combo-- better than when I was using the Radions alone.
maddhugan
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This situation is funny now
This situation is funny now
I wouldn't keep my hopes high now if I were you. D-Nak ruined it for you now by saying that they are not Onyx. lol, I couldn't stop laughing after reading D-Nak's comment. May be it wasn't a great idea to post those beautiful clown photos after all. Because always there is this one guy who knows too much and it becomes a problem for the seller. lol
It wouldn't be unwise to try craigslist at this point. lol
This situation is funny now
I wouldn't keep my hopes high now if I were you. D-Nak ruined it for you now by saying that they are not Onyx. lol, I couldn't stop laughing after reading D-Nak's comment. May be it wasn't a great idea to post those beautiful clown photos after all. Because always there is this one guy who knows too much and it becomes a problem for the seller. lol
It wouldn't be unwise to try craigslist at this point. lol
MMacro
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D-Nak
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I'm glad I can entertain you. When you stop laughing maybe you'll try to understand that the market for Onyx clowns is extremely small. Like I said, the clowns are beautiful and if the black has filled in then maybe they are Onyx. Regardless, my words shouldn't stop someone from buying them.
D-Nak
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PMed.
ThRoewer
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They look like fancy ocellaris that were hosted by a gigantea or mertensii. I know that those usually come from the Philippines or West Papua.
Image description reads "Clown anemonefish (Amphiprion percula) with anemone (Stichodactyla gigantea). Misool, Raja Ampat, West Papua, Indonesia", but that's an ocellaris for sure.
This is an Amphiprion ocellaris from the Philippines
Source: http://www.poppe-images.com/?t=17&photoid=934457
The site states it's a percula but it is clearly an ocellaris (location where the picture was taken, the black eye and the high dorsal fin).
This link shows more pictures of these from the Philippines: http://www.poppe-images.com/?t=11&family=POMACENTRIDAE&fullspecies=Amphiprion percula&catid=9
If I had the space and would know that they are wild caught, I would take them in a heartbeat.
Image description reads "Clown anemonefish (Amphiprion percula) with anemone (Stichodactyla gigantea). Misool, Raja Ampat, West Papua, Indonesia", but that's an ocellaris for sure.
This is an Amphiprion ocellaris from the Philippines
Source: http://www.poppe-images.com/?t=17&photoid=934457
The site states it's a percula but it is clearly an ocellaris (location where the picture was taken, the black eye and the high dorsal fin).
This link shows more pictures of these from the Philippines: http://www.poppe-images.com/?t=11&family=POMACENTRIDAE&fullspecies=Amphiprion percula&catid=9
If I had the space and would know that they are wild caught, I would take them in a heartbeat.
MMacro
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They look like fancy ocellaris that were hosted by a gigantea or mertensii. I know that those usually come from the Philippines or West Papua.
Image description reads "Clown anemonefish (Amphiprion percula) with anemone (Stichodactyla gigantea). Misool, Raja Ampat, West Papua, Indonesia", but that's an ocellaris for sure.
This is an Amphiprion ocellaris from the Philippines
Source: http://www.poppe-images.com/?t=17&photoid=934457
The site states it's a percula but it is clearly an ocellaris (location where the picture was taken, the black eye and the high dorsal fin).
This link shows more pictures of these from the Philippines: http://www.poppe-images.com/?t=11&family=POMACENTRIDAE&fullspecies=Amphiprion percula&catid=9
If I had the space and would know that they are wild caught, I would take them in a heartbeat.
Wow, thanks for all the info. Nice to know exactly what they are now.
MMacro
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They are currently pending to someone else but I will let you know if they fall through.
Im not sure if they are wild caught or tank bred...
Coral2Coral
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MMacro
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I think that I am going to keep the clowns. The main reason I was trying to get rid of them was so that I could completely tear down my tank. However, I am not able to catch my midas blenny so I might as well keep this temporary tank going. Sorry for any confusion and thanks to all who gave info. Sorry for the confusion. Thanks!
