clownfish with ICH. Advise needed.

[iamborg]

Sunday, found my 2 pairs of clowns started to have ICH breakout.
(pair of Allardi and pair of Maroon). Maroon still eating fine.
Allardi not eating at all. Using NLS A+ with garlic.

Monday night, added Cupramine. 20G tank. Added 16 drops.
This morning, added 8 drops. Target is to add 64 drops over
a 4 day period. Will add 8 drops tonight.
Added a air-tube, and increased temp to 82.

Vendor : 16 drops / 10G first day. 16 drops / 10G on the 3rd day.

Monday night, outbreak does not look as bad.
This morning, total outbreak. Worse on the Allardi pair.

My questions is that the Allardi pair is not eating anything. They loved
NLS before, what can I do besides waiting it out?
Do clowns survive ICH well?

I have been in reef for 5 years and this is my first case of ICH.
I think the Allardi pair kicked up too much sand in a corner of the tank.

Thanks

 

[milto29]

Sunday, found my 2 pairs of clowns started to have ICH breakout.
(pair of Allardi and pair of Maroon). Maroon still eating fine.
Allardi not eating at all. Using NLS A+ with garlic.

Monday night, added Cupramine. 20G tank. Added 16 drops.
This morning, added 8 drops. Target is to add 64 drops over
a 4 day period. Will add 8 drops tonight.
Added a air-tube, and increased temp to 82.

Vendor : 16 drops / 10G first day. 16 drops / 10G on the 3rd day.

Monday night, outbreak does not look as bad.
This morning, total outbreak. Worse on the Allardi pair.

My questions is that the Allardi pair is not eating anything. They loved
NLS before, what can I do besides waiting it out?
Do clowns survive ICH well?

I have been in reef for 5 years and this is my first case of ICH.
I think the Allardi pair kicked up too much sand in a corner of the tank.

Thanks

Don't raise the temperature. You want to lower it. When i had ICH all i did was lots of water changes , garlic , Dr G's Anti Parasitic Frozen Fish Food and lower the water Temperature. As long as the fish are eating they will be good.

 

[Mark9]

Don't raise the temperature. You want to lower it. When i had ICH all i did was lots of water changes , garlic , Dr G's Anti Parasitic Frozen Fish Food and lower the water Temperature. As long as the fish are eating they will be good.

I don't think this is the best advice.
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[crissie]

I don't think this is the best advice.
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+1 on this.

Lowering the temperature actually increases the length of the parasites life cycle!

 

[milto29]

I don't think this is the best advice.
Check in here
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+1 on this.

Lowering the temperature actually increases the length of the parasites life cycle!

Thats what works for me. The very first time that I had ICH. I bumped the water temperature to 85 and it took longer for the ICH to leave. I was also buying tons of chemical that supposedly kills ICH. Which never did work and my fish we're dying. I went to another LFS and started talking with the Old Timers there about my situation. They told me that none of those stuff work. They told me to drop my temperature down to 75 , daily water changes , Garlic and the Dr G's parasite food. I followed there directions and with in a week the ICH was gone. After this accident which was 2 years ago i have had ICH 1 more time. Which i did the same exact steps and got the exact results. They told me that disease is more likely to develop and spread in warmer waters.

 

[iamborg]

3rd day today.
Added 16 drops before I left for work.
In total, added 48 drops now to a 20G tank.
Will add the last 16 drops tomorrow.

Allardi pair took some food last night.
ICH is still bad on the female Allardi.
It seems better during the day.
But it got worse at daylight.

I did not lower temp. Still keeping it at 28C.

I hope my wide-Allardi pull thru.
They are not very common to get here in US.

Thanks for the advise.. lets see.

 

[snorvich]

+1 on this.

Lowering the temperature actually increases the length of the parasites life cycle!

Well, maybe. Raising the temperature decreases dissolved oxygen in the water so for fish with parasites in the kills, this makes life more difficult. Depends on the eventual temperature if the life cycle time is increased. Within normal aquarium temperatures, it will not change it.

 

[crissie]

Well, maybe. Raising the temperature decreases dissolved oxygen in the water so for fish with parasites in the kills, this makes life more difficult. Depends on the eventual temperature if the life cycle time is increased. Within normal aquarium temperatures, it will not change it.

That's interesting - how low would it have to go to alter the life cycle?

 

[Mael]

Got two mocha clowns that showed signs of ich when I got them home, went straight into a 10g tank, used copper treatment and the spots were gone in under a week(I caught it very early) and then they stayed in the hospital for another 2 weeks with the copper levels between 1.5 and 2.

Copper affected appetite the first few days but after that they were eating pellets again. Just keep up with your treatments, be patient and they should pull through. side note: I match the temp in the QT to the same as my DT(80*).

 

[iamborg]

Do I need to "stir" up the sand so that the copper can kill the ICH inside the sand bed?

I truly believe it is the sand that the Allardi stir up that cause the ICH.

Do Copper have any effect on Live rocks? thanks

 

[charliet21]

Dont lower it! U wanna leave it at 78-81.. lookbit up warm temps speed up the life cycle. This is what u want. Do some reading on the lufe cycle of ich and treating it

 

[snorvich]

Ok, a few facts. Temperature change within the normal range of what we keep aquaria at, will have no effect on the speed of the cryptocaryon irritans life cycle. If you are really fascinated with the details, please read this. The raising the temperature speeding up the life cycle is from the fresh water parasite Ichthyophthirius multifiliis where raising the temperature is indicated to speed up the life cycle. For cryptocaryon irritans, it will not have an effect until you are below 70F. Dissolved oxygen in the water is indirectly proportional to temperature, so higher temperature is less dissolved oxygen, lower temperature is more dissolved oxygen. Since ich almost always resides in the gills, and makes respiration difficult, lowering the temperature to about 76-77F will make it more comfortable for the fish. That is why faster gilling is an indication of parasites residing in the gills.

 

[charliet21]

Foot in mouth....