Common Misconceptions In the Hobby

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10662376#post10662376 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by capn_hylinur

I'm not looking for you and the other experts to prove your credibility--the pictures of the tanks you show, the posts you make(not the volume) and the tireless hours you put on this site--speak volumes for myself and others I am sure.


It would be wonderful if people would post journals, papers, etc, to back things up.


The problem is that most of these articles are not freely available outside of academia. The BU (boston university) Science and Engineering library had a lot of stuff(BU has a good Marine Bio program), so I read a lot of journals (when I could find them) in college. I dont have access to that stuff anymore, which is a shame, and neither do most people.

Half the time, someone could post a journal reference, and none of us can even look at it. Its really frustrating that academia is so insistent on controlling the flow of knowledge. $600 for a copy of an article is absurd.



Mark, thats exactly what I mean. The "within a certain range" is more important than the "stability"
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10662273#post10662273 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by MiddletonMark

Sure, I am hung up on it ... mainly because after a few years of answering questions in the New to the Hobby forum - I got frustrated with unqualified statements generalizing livestock that were passed along to folks learning.

Well, I get frustrated when I see "experienced" members telling people in the newbie section to feed their corals phytoplankton and that it's very important that they keep their temperatures stable. Or telling them that a 15 or 20k bulb will color up their corals, or... I think you get the picture :p
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10660921#post10660921 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by capn_hylinur
what do you do for large polyp corals.

Recapping for some of the other dumb shumcks like me that might be trying to follow:
clams don't need to be feed at all if they are adult<-----------
corals don't eat phyto
that rules out DT---so gone with that expense and possibility of raising the DOC's of the tank
corals eat cyclopeeze
spend the savings on a big mother skimmer :)

have I got that right:smokin:

did i miss something? clams are not reliant on filter feeding at any size, they can fully sustain themselves through photosynthesis alone
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10665146#post10665146 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by mbbuna
did i miss something? clams are not reliant on filter feeding at any size, they can fully sustain themselves through photosynthesis alone

you didn't miss anything --i did----duh what do you expect from a science teacher--good comprehension skills or good reefing:o :lol:
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10664946#post10664946 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Peter Eichler
Well, I get frustrated when I see "experienced" members telling people in the newbie section to feed their corals phytoplankton and that it's very important that they keep their temperatures stable. Or telling them that a 15 or 20k bulb will color up their corals, or... I think you get the picture :p

guilty:o but hope your time won't be wasted on me ( and others) in this thread
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10664341#post10664341 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by RichConley
It would be wonderful if people would post journals, papers, etc, to back things up.


The problem is that most of these articles are not freely available outside of academia. The BU (boston university) Science and Engineering library had a lot of stuff(BU has a good Marine Bio program), so I read a lot of journals (when I could find them) in college. I dont have access to that stuff anymore, which is a shame, and neither do most people.

Half the time, someone could post a journal reference, and none of us can even look at it. Its really frustrating that academia is so insistent on controlling the flow of knowledge. $600 for a copy of an article is absurd.

Mark, thats exactly what I mean. The "within a certain range" is more important than the "stability"

time to time I have had to deal with various university types and believe me when I say I rather deal any day with a seasoned vetran.
I really don't see the necessity or why you guys have to feel that you have to be backed up by a pHd'er
In many situations you have to 'agree to disagree" in order to constructively move on.
In this particular hobby it should be ok for season vetrans to say this is how it works for me -----and this is how it works for me------you go ahead an choose what you think will work for you or where on the fence you sit.
In many posts people are actually searching for a relatively quick action plan---there not going to wait while you consult some phD'r

In all your efforts you guys have earned over and over the status of 'knowing what you are talking about" no one expects you to be consulting a so called academic-----you should have the confidence and self esteen to go on doing what you are doing so well.
 
It would be wonderful if people would post journals, papers, etc, to back things up.

I like studies and stuff just as much as the next guy, I make a living telling dr's about how "this study says my drugs are better than theirs" and "this study says...", but if you truly read studies...come on. You know that for every study that says one thing, there is another study to say the opposite. I could post a journal that says the sky isn't blue, but that doesn't necessarily make it true.

Plus, there is a big difference between theory and practice. For example: In theory, eugenics is a great idea. In practice, that didn't pan out too well, did it?
 
Taken from: http://www.underwatertimes.com/news.php?article_id=65910480731

Queensland, Australia (Aug 29, 2007 18:19 EST) A team of coral researchers has taken a major stride towards revealing the workings of the mysterious ‘engine’ that drives Australia’s Great Barrier Reef, and corals the world over.

The science has critical importance in understanding why coral reefs bleach and die, how they respond to climate change â€"œ and how that might affect humanity, they say.

Scientists at the ARC Centre of Excellence for Coral Reef Studies, James Cook University and the University of Queensland have compiled the world’s first detailed gene expression library for Symbiodinium, the microscopic algae that feed the corals â€"œ and so provide the primary energy source for the entire Reef.

“Symbiodinium uses sunlight to convert CO2 into carbohydrates for the corals to feed on. At the same time there’s evidence the corals control its output, suggesting that they are farming their captive plants” Professor David Yellowlees explains.

“But these microscopic algae are quite weird and unlike any other lifeform. They have different photosynthetic machinery from all other light harvesting organisms. They have 100 times more DNA than we do and we have no idea why such a small organism needs so much. They really are like no other living creature we know.

This is echoed by team member Prof Ove Hoegh-Guldberg who comments it is ‘like no other organism on planet’, jokingly labeling it “like an alien”.

This strange beast not only rules the fate of the world’s coral reefs â€"œ it also plays a significant role in soaking up carbon dioxide from the atmosphere, turning it into nourishment for the corals and powering calcification. Its decline would not only kill the reefs but accelerate CO2 buildup.

Dr Bill Leggat says the team has focused particularly on understanding the biochemical relationship between Symbiodinium and corals when they are stressed by heat, light, increased CO2 levels and pollutants from land run-off.

These stressful conditions cause corals to ‘bleach’ by expelling the Symbiodinium and â€"œ if they do not recover them within a few days â€"œ the corals die. Large-scale bleaching struck half of the Great Barrier Reef in 2002, and eight major bleaching episodes have been reported worldwide in the last 30 years due to warming sea water.

“Our aim is to identify the genes that make the symbiotic plants susceptible to these stresses, and lead to the coral expelling them,” Dr Leggat says.

In experiments at Heron Island Research Station they exposed corals to various stresses associated with climate change and then analysed the gene composition in the symbiotic algae. Another team analysed the effects in corals.

Working together and using the powerful micro-array technology, they hope to assemble a picture of the ‘chemical conversation’ that goes on between the corals and its symbiotic plants that leads to a breakdown in the relationship, a divorce - and the corals starving themselves to death.

“An example of the challenge we face is the gene which is expressed the most when Symbiodinium is stressed. It’s obviously important - but at this stage we have no idea what it does. It is even stranger when you consider that this gene was originally acquired from a bacterium” Prof Yellowlees says.

So far the team has identified about 4500 genes in Symbiodinium, compiling them into the world’s first gene expression library for this symbiotic organism. It is hoped this will have value for understanding other symbiotic relationships in nature.

Symbiodinium is part of a larger group of organisms called dinoflagellates, responsible for events like red tides and ciguatera poisoning. Together, the dinoflagellates process about one third of all CO2 entering the oceans â€"œ and are thus vital players in helping to remove CO2 from the atmosphere. Understanding how they function will help fill in one of the critical gaps in our understanding of climate change â€"œ how much CO2 the oceans can trap and how this will affect ultimate climate change.

Details of the team’s research findings will be published in the Journal of Phycology later this year.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10667843#post10667843 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by capn_hylinur
And the value of this study and the practical advice I would receive from reading this lengthy study would be ?

I am not being sarcastic here--but I enjoy reading everything I can get my hands on by Randy Holmes------why--because it is always based on what I can do or experiment with and it is written with that in mind.
There is defintely a place for this study and its finding----maybe it will influence Al Gore or Michael Mooore but it is definetly not going to appeal to common reef "serfs" like myself.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10667590#post10667590 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by owenb01
So symbiodinium is zooxanthallae?

scientific progress----I always miss the the silent x---symbiodinium is easy to spell ;)
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10630438#post10630438 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by MiddletonMark
I think some seahorses have different requirements than other seahorses.

I'm sure you're right that quite a few originate in cooler than reef waters - but I also know I've seen seahorses diving on reefs in Bonaire .... in lovely 82 degree water.

I think that seahorses might be too variable in their natural location to make a sweeping temperature generalization, as the variance between species is significant.

IMO seahorses basically come down to tropical or temperate classifications in terms of temperature.

Tropical seahorses are species like erectus, reidi, kuda, barbouri, types of seahorses you would observe on the reef, or grass beds and in warmer waters.

Temperate would reference seahorses like abdominalis, whitei, breviceps, capenisis, which are found in cooler waters and need varying degrees of temperature.

IME Tropical species do better at temperatures from 69- to 74F and the temperate species can range from 40-68F.

JME

Even though the tropical seahorses do live in warmer waters for much of the year, the lower temperatures discourage growth of problamatic bacterias known to cause illness. As the populations of these bacteria's increase disease is more likely. However at the lower temperatures the bacteria's become less virtulent and release different proteins. They are still present, but not aggressive. At the temperature of 69F many of these bacteria's stop reproducing all together which is why lowering the temperature is often the first recommendation for the treatment of seahorse related illness.

This is one of the situations where replicating there natural environment does not work, do to the confines of our systems.

JMO
 
Tropical seahorses are species like erectus, reidi, kuda, barbouri, types of seahorses you would observe on the reef, or grass beds and in warmer waters

Actually "Erectus" seahorses are common in New York and can be collected in large numbers in the summer.
Here is an article I wrote about erectus about ten years ago
http://www.breedersregistry.org/Articles/v4_i3_paul_b/paul_b.htm

Alot has been mentioned on this thread about doctorate's and professorships in the field of marine biology. While I am a big fan of reading there can not be any experts in the field of "reefing" as this is a hobby and as such is considered a "pleasurable pasttime"
You can not be a Doctor of a pleasurable pasttime.
I have a cousin who is a marine biology professor. When he looks at my tank he is dumbfounded. He can name most species of worm and maybe some amphipods but put it in a tank and he is lost as to husbandry. Forget filtration all together.
To get his doctorate he had to SCUBA dive exactly once on Fijji.
There are some things you just can't learn in a classroom.
I myself did not have the opportunity to go to collage. I had to work right out of highschool which turned out better for me. I am a construction electrician foreman in Manhattan, if I had gone to collage I would probably be an electrical engineer making half my salary in twice the hours. I am not against education at all but I am for learning on your own especially if it's for a "Pleasurable pasttime"
Reading is a must but you should read many articles by different authors and try to decipher out the inacuracies.
I have published 17 articles in magazines on various aspects of aquariums and SCUBA diving. Everything I have ever submitted was published. That is not good. I have no credentials (or collage) Just my word. I could be a complete moron. There are some respected authors that have been writing about this stuff for decades and I laugh when I read some of the stuff. One in particular always wrote about fresh water then started to write about salt but it seemed to me that everything he said was wrong. Just keep reading. You will weed out the authors that may not be the sharpest crayon in the box.
Try to find people who have old thriving tanks. Any tank should look great for at least a year or two.
My favorite was the late Robert Straughn. He was considered "The Father of Salt Water Fish Keeping" He was one of the first people to keep them and he was also an avid collector.
Anyway, since I forgot what was my purpose with this post I will shut up now.
Have a great night.
It's time to go crabbing.
Paul :wavehand:
 
Hey, Paul -
I think something that causes a lot of problems is that too many people believe ANYTHING they read, and as you stated, there is a lot of inaccurate / simply wrong information floating around.
I had a biology teacher in high school who used to say, "Don't believe anything you hear, and only half of what you think you see." To which we should probably add, "Or half of what you read."
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10669904#post10669904 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by PrivateJoker64
Hey, Paul -
I think something that causes a lot of problems is that too many people believe ANYTHING they read, and as you stated, there is a lot of inaccurate / simply wrong information floating around.
I had a biology teacher in high school who used to say, "Don't believe anything you hear, and only half of what you think you see." To which we should probably add, "Or half of what you read."

I recognize that quote--that guy was my dad :rollface: ;) :rollface:
 
LOL.
I heard it from Mrs. Amy May Varnum at Huntington East High School, 22 years ago.
I doubt she was your dad.
Maybe a common quote for teachers?
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10670489#post10670489 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by PrivateJoker64
LOL.
I heard it from Mrs. Amy May Varnum at Huntington East High School, 22 years ago.
I doubt she was your dad.
Maybe a common quote for teachers?

yeah but now a days she could have been;)
 
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