Cone or no Cone

Cone or no Cone

  • Cone

    Votes: 30 69.8%
  • No Cone

    Votes: 13 30.2%

  • Total voters
    43

jinks

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Looking for peoples thoughts on how cone skimmers stack up against a normal shaped body. It would seem to me that you are cutting down on the total volume the skimmer holds(while keeping the same footprint), and at the same time creating a denser foam head. I have never owned a cone (not that i wont just that i haven't). I kind of wonder if curving the top piece of acrylic to a dome shape isn't just more costly/time consuming then rolling the cone shaped body. Lowers production cost and we are convinced that it helps.
 
Cones are a fad. Only reason people think they work better is marketting.

Air doesn't even mix in 2/3 of the cone. Btw every skimmer has a cone and a straight neck. Just cone Skimmers have a cone complete body that is not needed and hurt performance.
 
I wouldnt buy a skimmer based on cone or no cone.

It just so happens many of the good skimmers out right now are cones. They utilize many other things that make them good skimmers.


@usc

Many people have been saying cones are a fad for years..... They are still here. At what point is something no longer a fad and just common practice?
 
I think there is a magic bullet for each system, so for a 90 gallon tank a DAS EXII is ideal and the Tunze 100 with the tunze 9410 also works great. So I would concentrate what is the perfect match for my system.
 
I wouldnt buy a skimmer based on cone or no cone.

It just so happens many of the good skimmers out right now are cones. They utilize many other things that make them good skimmers.


@usc

Many people have been saying cones are a fad for years..... They are still here. At what point is something no longer a fad and just common practice?
It been 2 years.... and best skimmer line out sro is not a cone.
 
It been 2 years.... and best skimmer line out sro is not a cone.

Its been closer to 5 years actually.... I have had my alpha for close to 3 years.

As far as best skimmer line that is a different argument. And SRO have a bunch of cone/hybrid skimmers.


And I am not going to say only buy a cone. I think that is crock statement. I just don't understand the fad argument.
 
Cones do make a difference, although not a huge one or even one that would be worth switching to. But even most of the standard skimmers nowadays are as close to come as ou can get without actually being a cone. Even the SRO skimmed have a cone transition neck. They used that design for a reason ;)
 
Its been closer to 5 years actually.... I have had my alpha for close to 3 years.

As far as best skimmer line that is a different argument. And SRO have a bunch of cone/hybrid skimmers.


And I am not going to say only buy a cone. I think that is crock statement. I just don't understand the fad argument.

Cone fad started in 2007... by 2010 it was over when the sro line came out.
 
Cones do make a difference, although not a huge one or even one that would be worth switching to. But even most of the standard skimmers nowadays are as close to come as ou can get without actually being a cone. Even the SRO skimmed have a cone transition neck. They used that design for a reason ;)
How do they make a difference? That cone transition neck been around since NW skimmer came out. I do not know a NW that doesn't have this...

Cone skimmer are just stupid and worthless. Have a cone body hype is just from marketting. A cone body hurt performance since it cut down on the skimmer volume.
 
Cone skimmer are just stupid and worthless. Have a cone body hype is just from marketting. A cone body hurt performance since it cut down on the skimmer volume.

You know all this from experience? Most every person i have heard from that owned them say they do make a difference in perfromance. Not night and day, but they do. If the small volume hurt them, not one of those people would say they were better. IME it is not enough to be a dealbreaker for standard skimmers though. .

You can have crap cone skimmers and great standard ones, and vicer versa. I have seen manufacturers state it is more expensive to make cones and there is less profit margin.
 
To bad it would be so hard to run a true test and put two equal skimmers side by side one cone one not and see how it turns out. I know they both work, but it would be cool to see if one had a small edge over the other.
 
I'd like to see evidence of your claim.

I like to see some evidence that refutes the claim. :wave:

To bad it would be so hard to run a true test and put two equal skimmers side by side one cone one not and see how it turns out. I know they both work, but it would be cool to see if one had a small edge over the other.
It been done with many different skimmers. The problem is people dont like the finding and company do not want their skimmers used.

The last test only 30% of DOT were removed by any of the skimmers and bubble king skimmer didnt perform the best.

Buddle king Cone was i believe the worst . http://www.advancedaquarist.com/2010/1/aafeature#section-4

But again marketing has won. Just look at the results of these poll in these thread.

"Many factors contribute to the "value" of a skimmer to an aquarist, including quality of construction, size, footprint, noise level, ease of cleaning, energy efficiency of the pump, and of course, the ability to remove organic waste from aquarium water. Our data show that there are not compelling or remarkably large differences in measurable skimmer TOC removal metrics among the seven skimmers tested, although the Reef Octopus 150 consistently underperformed compared to the other skimmers. However, in the larger picture, it is equally apparent that if an aquarist runs a skimmer continuously (24/7), then any of the skimmers tested would perform adequately in terms of rate of TOC removal; the only practical differences might involve the frequency of skimmer cup cleaning. A perhaps more interesting observation to emerge from these skimmer studies involves not the rate of TOC removal, but rather the amount of TOC removed. None of the skimmers tested removed more than 35% of the extant TOC, leading to the conclusion that bubbles are really not a very effective medium for organic nutrient removal. If fact, the presence of refractory, or unskimmable, TOC, coupled with the likelihood that endogenous TOC consumers (bacteria, among others) also do not remove all of the TOC present (cf. Fig. 4), suggest that in an operational sense, TOC can be categorized as follows:"


You know all this from experience? Most every person i have heard from that owned them say they do make a difference in perfromance. Not night and day, but they do. If the small volume hurt them, not one of those people would say they were better. IME it is not enough to be a dealbreaker for standard skimmers though. .

You can have crap cone skimmers and great standard ones, and vicer versa. I have seen manufacturers state it is more expensive to make cones and there is less profit margin.
See point above. Testing been done already. Not second hand info from people who just spend, most of the time, more on a skimmer than they did for their fish tank....[for example most ATB, bk owners....]

But you are right cones do effect performance.... but its for the negative....
 
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I love when these topics come up.
IMO all you need is a cone transition on top of a cylinder skimmer. It does not need to be a full cone.
As a matter of fact in this test on skimmers the full cone perform rather poorly. The skimmers with the least cone on them eg BK mini performed the best in TOC removal.
Here is a scientific read on skimmers.
http://www.advancedaquarist.com/2010/1/aafeature
 
Looking for peoples thoughts on how cone skimmers stack up against a normal shaped body. It would seem to me that you are cutting down on the total volume the skimmer holds(while keeping the same footprint), and at the same time creating a denser foam head. I have never owned a cone (not that i wont just that i haven't). I kind of wonder if curving the top piece of acrylic to a dome shape isn't just more costly/time consuming then rolling the cone shaped body. Lowers production cost and we are convinced that it helps.


Exactly!
Having to have a cone on top of a cylinder is more labor intensive and more costly.
Cone are cheaper to make one the mold is paid for, in which it does not take alot to do.
 
I love when these topics come up.
IMO all you need is a cone transition on top of a cylinder skimmer. It does not need to be a full cone.
As a matter of fact in this test on skimmers the full cone perform rather poorly. The skimmers with the least cone on them eg BK mini performed the best in TOC removal.
Here is a scientific read on skimmers.
http://www.advancedaquarist.com/2010/1/aafeature

Despite that test in skimmers concluding the bk mini as the best performer, I can say that it was one of the worst performers on my tank. Enough so where I was willing to take a big hit to sell it. I know it is far from scientific proof. The best performers have been the SRO2000 and H&s, and he ATB 840. I did not like the ATB sicce pump though.
 
Despite that test in skimmers concluding the bk mini as the best performer, I can say that it was one of the worst performers on my tank. Enough so where I was willing to take a big hit to sell it. I know it is far from scientific proof. The best performers have been the SRO2000 and H&s, and he ATB 840. I did not like the ATB sicce pump though.

Of course not that is a terrible performing skimmer for the money. 600 lph of air is nothing. SRO2000 is double that....

Its all about the pump...more air the better the performance....

Like it said in the article... doesnt really matter what skimmer you get. They will perform about the same if you run them 24/7.

BK were about the worst value other than the junk nw-150.
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