Coral Tank from Canada (1350gal Display Tank)

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Great updated pics! Everything looks ship shape.

I don't want to drag the temperature debate out any longer that it already has been. As Peter mentioned, you would think we would have at least that one subject covered in the hobby by now.

The problem with magic numbers is they aren't magic for everyone. Peter has a high tech climate control system and a budget to keep it where he wants it. There are numerous fail safes and the high water volume and acrylic tank tank construction offers yet more stability. Fear of a temperature drop during a power outage or a high temp spike during a heat wave are not factored in when establishing target temp. If you have all of your ducks in a row, then a magic number of 82-84F fits the bill (no pun intended).

If you feel you are at risk of power outage, extreme weather (hot or cold), or equipment malfunction, then you should aim lower, closer to the middle of the temperature range (79-80F).

In most homes, it gets cooler at night. This can drop the system water a few degrees, especially since lighting and in some cases pumps are off at night and cooling fans are often left on. Most fish and corals are from areas with stable temperatures. The temp swing is more injurious than the temp value itself. For this reason, it makes more sense to keep the heater at 80F rather than 79 or lower so nightly drops are compensated for.

You can use a chiller to keep the temp from rising over 80F, but that represents a $1000 - $1500 equipment cost and elevated operational costs. It also increase the possibility of leaks and equipment failure.

I don't know the actual numbers, but the amount of dissolved oxygen in 79F water vs. 82F water isn't a huge difference. Keeping the resting temp lower will add extra minutes of air, rather than hours.

I posted an article by Dana Riddle earlier where he compares water temps to actual coral temps in aquaria. He uses a directional infrared thermometer to test the temp of the coral. Some lighting systems emit radiant heat that reaches the corals, making them warmer than the surrounding water. The sun also generates radiant heat obviously, so this heat transfer is not unique to our aquariums. Hopefully Peter can give us some documented water temps and coral surface temps. We have to keep him busy in the aquarium hobby or we will lose him in the wine closet :)
 
Beautiful, everything looks perfectly thought out. One thing makes me wonder a bit: there is a unit of one of the chillers which seems do dump it's heat indoor. Aquarium chillers produce lots of heat, it seems more logical to me to locate these units outdoor. More comfort for the people, less energy use and also no heat which flows back into the just-chilled water nearby. But, probably things aren't what they seem and I am mistaken.

Apart from this one question, very, very, very impressive! Keep up the good work :)
 
Beautiful, everything looks perfectly thought out. One thing makes me wonder a bit: there is a unit of one of the chillers which seems do dump it's heat indoor. Aquarium chillers produce lots of heat, it seems more logical to me to locate these units outdoor. More comfort for the people, less energy use and also no heat which flows back into the just-chilled water nearby. But, probably things aren't what they seem and I am mistaken.

Apart from this one question, very, very, very impressive! Keep up the good work :)

You are correct, aquarium chillers do generate a lot of heat and should be located remotely. Cramming a chiller in a tight, poorly vented aquarium base cabinet is a common mistake. You can install the chiller outside, but that may cause over-cooling issues during the winter. Alternatively, you can isolate the heat exchanger and locate it outside.
 
Beautiful, everything looks perfectly thought out. One thing makes me wonder a bit: there is a unit of one of the chillers which seems do dump it's heat indoor. Aquarium chillers produce lots of heat, it seems more logical to me to locate these units outdoor. More comfort for the people, less energy use and also no heat which flows back into the just-chilled water nearby. But, probably things aren't what they seem and I am mistaken.

Apart from this one question, very, very, very impressive! Keep up the good work :)

As mr. Wilson has pointed out your comments are very correct. The reason I can get away with it is the extent I went to to ensure that the fish room was totally isolated from the rest of the house. Energy costs are another story however..........The room has it's own dedicated H R V. It also has it's own dedicated air conditioner with the compressor outside the building.

Thank you very much for your generous praise tanu.

Peter
 
Hooray, eye candy!! Thanks Peter, your set up is fantastic! I really admire someone who goes through the effort to set up a "engine room" that looks as finished as the display area. Bravo man, bravo!

Scott
 
Hooray, eye candy!! Thanks Peter, your set up is fantastic! I really admire someone who goes through the effort to set up a "engine room" that looks as finished as the display area. Bravo man, bravo!

Scott

Thanks Scott. I think the 'engine room' is a very important part of the display experience. When folks get to see what it takes to support just 24 feet of salt water they might start to develop an appreciation of what it's going to take to 'cure' the gulf. It's not that we should give up the oil under the sea floor, it's a lesson that it should all stop till we can demonstrate it safely.

Peter

Please excuse the soapbox........
 
Wow !!
What a full load and clean fish room !
Just beside Robbie on the lower corner, you have equipement (wet-dry filter ) i wish you don't need to do frequently maintenance because is tight space.

Sebastien
 
Peter,

I have been checking this thread twice a day since i stumbled on it a a month or two ago.
I have THOROUGHLY enjoyed the in depth review that each subject has received (Kudos Mr. Wilson :spin3:)
the build is looking awesome so far...
I think i speak for just about everyone when i say... Bring on the Rock!!!

K-Claws
 
Looks like things are really starting to come together. Peter, I really applaud your willingness to take everyone's input into consideration. I think the changes that have been proposed since the beginning have been spot on. Its wonderful having the vast amount of knowledge brought to the table from everyone on this thread. I think it is really going a long way to benefit your build and I think with everyone's continued help and support your reef should be a great success. I look forward to seeing how things work out in the long run. Keep up the great work.
 
Peter lets just say your build is breath taking to say the least!! Its by far the best home set-up I've ever seen.
I would like to offer you ur first fish it meets the kind of fish you plan of having, its an oriental sweetlips. I mistakenly purchased this guy without doing my homework trust me a first. Well he grows to 2-3 feet in length!! but super attractive. PM if you are interested its about 2inchs now and happy in my 125g for now.

baby
http://www.waisaquarium.com/oriental sweetlip.jpg

full grown
http://images.travelpod.com/users/aston2b/meeru-2007.1174903380.oriental-sweetlips.jpg

thanks
 
Amazing by far the best I have ever seen!
I was wondering where the return line from the chiller enters back in to the system. If it comes back in before the 'fuge you might need to move your temp probe up stream. I could go into detail but I'm probably wrong anyways.
I cant wait for a year to fly by and see this amazing mini ocean!!!!!!!!!
 
Peter, do you anticipate having any problems keeping your pH up with the fish room having it's own air conditioner? I know that as soon as I turn on the air at my house, the pH dives. This may not be a problem for such a large tank though. Things are looking great.
 
Amazing by far the best I have ever seen!
I was wondering where the return line from the chiller enters back in to the system. If it comes back in before the 'fuge you might need to move your temp probe up stream. I could go into detail but I'm probably wrong anyways.
I cant wait for a year to fly by and see this amazing mini ocean!!!!!!!!!

Good observation and certainly worth making. The Chiller, UV and canister filter are only related to the two closed systems. The refugium is part of the open system. The Temperature Probe is simply mounted on the leg for convenience. It really is a separate task to take the water temp of the open system and operate the chiller on the closed system. They look like they are connected but they are really not.

I hope that made sense.......

Peter
 
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