Coral Tank from Canada (1350gal Display Tank)

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In many respects it looks better esthetically than the space station.

Having been involved with its development and implementation for years, I can assure you there is nothing aesthetical about the space station. ;)

Yes there will be two HD web cams, I'm just waiting for James Cameron to get back to me on the state of 3D technology for this purpose. I want everyone here to be able to project this into their living rooms and totally share the enjoyment with me.

Sounds like a treat, to be sure. Thanks for sharing all this with us, it's benchmarks like these that truly push the advancement of the hobby.
 
I have a number of chillers but so far only one dedicated to the main display tank. Without starting a debate if possible and as I begin to plan around various single points of failure..........

How should I place the second chiller:

On the shelf as a ready spare?

In line with the spare passively standing on standby?

Run the two of them together at 50% all the time?

Run the two of them together at 100%?

Before anyone asks brand names etc. I am very interested in the rational for the positioning before we get into discussions about which brands are best. We'll get there but lets deal with the science first. I'm sort of hoping the answer is logical and endorsed as an obvious best practice by most in this community.................but that isn't gonna happen is it?

Peter


Being as I work in a hospital as an engineer and have faced the same questions I feel I may be able to help here. I would recomend having 2 chillers both capable of cooling the entire system individually running at apx 80-85%, with 2 pumps. I would always have 1 set at apx 2 degrees higher than the one online (this could be done through your controler). That would facilitate 2 things. First you would have completely automatic redundancy. and allow you to run your chillers at a reasonable efficiency as chillers like to run loaded. I would switch the lead chiller once a month. This would ensure even run time and allow you to make sure both systems work.
 
The final solution we settled on was to have a second chiller essentially in standby. We place one chiller inline, with a second identical chiller nearby fed by a mag drive pump placed in the sump. This chiller and pump would only be turned on by the controller in an emergency situation. The controller would alert us of the temperature condition and the activation of the second chiller and we would then go over and swap out the inline chiller with the backup. We would service/ replace the failing chiller and then reinstall it in the backup configuration. Granted, adding a submersible pump to an aquarium adds heat to water you are trying to cool, but the solution was simple and it worked as a stop gap until we could address the situation.

this one has my vote, it seems to be the best solution as chillers do not like to run idle or at low rates effiency curves definatly dont follow the work smarter not harder philosiphy. they simply are work horses.
 
Why not run your intake ro water through a refugium so that it will cool your tank and increase the water temp of your ro to a closer temp of around 70 degrees so that you maximize your ro membranes? This would help to not utilize your chillers as much.
 
It is already in consideration :)

Way, waaaaaaay too early guys but thanks. Again, not false modesty its just at this stage far too many folks are going to think this is all about money and its not. Only time and patience will give me a chance to make that point with any integrity.

Fact is, I'm just coming to terms with the understanding that this tank really does belong to everyone here. No CRVZ this does not mean you can move in, unless you are a tall blond female who believes deep down that Tiger is a good person. By the time the dust settles on this project there will be a number of attributes that have come from members on this forum partly because I'm a good student and mostly that there are a disproportionate number of excellent coaches on this thread.

But thanks guys........

Peter
 
builds like these are why i would never post a pic of my tank up here. i would be ashamed of my measely tank.

beautiful house!

Tim, If its a small tank that's poorly managed then you might have a point but if its a small tank that has been managed with good practices and intentions then its criminal not to share!!!!!!

Thanks for the support......

Peter
 
Way, waaaaaaay too early guys but thanks. Again, not false modesty its just at this stage far too many folks are going to think this is all about money and its not. Only time and patience will give me a chance to make that point with any integrity.

Fact is, I'm just coming to terms with the understanding that this tank really does belong to everyone here. No CRVZ this does not mean you can move in, unless you are a tall blond female who believes deep down that Tiger is a good person. By the time the dust settles on this project there will be a number of attributes that have come from members on this forum partly because I'm a good student and mostly that there are a disproportionate number of excellent coaches on this thread.

But thanks guys........

Peter



Speaking of Tiger. I am soooo fired up that he is playing the Masters and I think deep down he is a good guy.
 
Being as I work in a hospital as an engineer and have faced the same questions I feel I may be able to help here. I would recomend having 2 chillers both capable of cooling the entire system individually running at apx 80-85%, with 2 pumps. I would always have 1 set at apx 2 degrees higher than the one online (this could be done through your controler). That would facilitate 2 things. First you would have completely automatic redundancy. and allow you to run your chillers at a reasonable efficiency as chillers like to run loaded. I would switch the lead chiller once a month. This would ensure even run time and allow you to make sure both systems work.

Thanks iluzhun, I can't bekieve the excellent quality of advice I have been getting...........This is an option that just might be considered as the physical layout of my fish room is materializing.

Peter
 
FWIW, I have some experience in dealing with chillers in large aquariums (>400 gallons). Over the years we have tried several configurations of redundancy in the chiller department for large tanks with intense lighting. The Following were our discoveries:

1. Dual in-line chillers w/ one strictly as a pass through backup.

The problem we ran into in this configuration was accumulation of gunk within the chiller. Over time, some amount of debris built up inside of the chiller andf then we we ran it once every other month or so to ensure its operation in the case of an emergency, the chiller was less effective because of the build up. We eventually abandoned this configuration.

2. Dual chillers running at 50% capacity

The problem here was the increased level of power consumption and maintenance. Two chillers are twice as much to maintain. One more than one occasion we had both chillers fail roughly at the same time, thus defeating the redundancy principle. These types of failures seem to happen at 3AM too, which meant my cell phone was going crazy with controller updates in the middle of the night.

The final solution we settled on was to have a second chiller essentially in standby. We place one chiller inline, with a second identical chiller nearby fed by a mag drive pump placed in the sump. This chiller and pump would only be turned on by the controller in an emergency situation. The controller would alert us of the temperature condition and the activation of the second chiller and we would then go over and swap out the inline chiller with the backup. We would service/ replace the failing chiller and then reinstall it in the backup configuration. Granted, adding a submersible pump to an aquarium adds heat to water you are trying to cool, but the solution was simple and it worked as a stop gap until we could address the situation.

Again, this is great stuff. You also raise a good point that has increasingly become a topic of conversation around here.........and that, believe it or not is about GUNK. How much of an issue is it for the drains......and is it an issue that is easily identified in an open system, if so where? What do I do to minimize it and can it actually be avoided?

Thanks for taking the time, its hugely valuable.

Peter
 
I also deal with medical equipment. Iluzhun has given you great advice. The fact that you have both online and switch the master back and forth every month or so, is really the best solution. If you have a NEW one sitting on the shelf it is not really tested. NEW= Never Ever Worked. How long will it take you to connect and install. In the medical field with equipment that is run hard long hours of the day there really is no other solution. With equipment going down for clinics hospitals or whatever hours can mean tens of thousands of dollars.

Evan if it both are installed wired and plumbed with valves you can always switch some valves and depending on your controller. As long as this happens when some one is around if your not. You might also want to someone you can trust who is familar with your system to watch things while you are away.

Do you have a link to your media room build???hahhah
 
Why not run your intake ro water through a refugium so that it will cool your tank and increase the water temp of your ro to a closer temp of around 70 degrees so that you maximize your ro membranes? This would help to not utilize your chillers as much.

Actually Givatcho that advice came up earlier and I had a discussion with John on how we might do this. I think it makes a ton of sense on every level. So if we keep this between me and you and don't tell anybody else, you can claim credit for this one.......unless the original poster is still lurking around.

But your initiative is exactly how we make a better overall result. Thanks.

Peter
 
WOW i've never seem so many posts in such a short time. Amazing build. Tagging along

Me neither, I'm exhausted. I feel like I'm at the two finger Olympics and at this rate I'm never getting in the medal lineup for sure.

Peter
 
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Your build is completely breathtaking. Your passion for and attention to detail not only to the tank but the surrounding environment is inspiring, and the idea of creating an homage to the great "reefers" of the world is fantastic. Thank you for sharing your journey with us.

I was taking another look at chingchai's build and noticed that you first posted the idea for this build in August of 2009, when did you make the final decision to build the tank?
 
Speaking of Tiger. I am soooo fired up that he is playing the Masters and I think deep down he is a good guy.

He is the world's best athelete with no peer. Talk about a managed outcome!!!! The price of tickets at Augusta has just gone through the roof and rightly so. He will be coming back with a vengence. focus focus focus......

Peter
 
Your build is completely breathtaking. Your passion for and attention to detail not only to the tank but the surrounding environment is inspiring, and the idea of creating an homage to the great "reefers" of the world is fantastic. Thank you for sharing your journey with us.

I was taking another look at Chingchai's build and noticed that you first posted the idea for this build in August of 2009, when did you make the final decision to build the tank?

WoW, when someone does that kind of homework they deserve an honest answer. The full decision was finalized around May 2010 with my architect influencing the extent of the build. The decision to even do a build in the first place was really when the elephant came to visit. For those folks who haven't read all of Chingchai's build from the beginning, an elephant wandered into the building housing the early construction to the build. I felt at the time that his build was going to be very special and if anyone here saw what the original garage looked like and the determination he had to produce the slice of perfection in contrast to its humble beginnings you couldn't help but respect the man and his accomplishment.

But it was the elephant that did it.....an elephant in the middle of chaos who took a minute to check the room out and without fanfare wandered back out into the crowd and disappeared. At the time I was confronted with the contrast of that elephant and the drawings of what was to be and figured if he can do it I have no choice.

However, Chingchai, all I could muster is a grossly underfed raccoon. That would be a nano elephant with fur!!!!! But I thank him for that moment. It was very special.

Peter
 
I also deal with medical equipment. Iluzhun has given you great advice. The fact that you have both online and switch the master back and forth every month or so, is really the best solution. If you have a NEW one sitting on the shelf it is not really tested. NEW= Never Ever Worked. How long will it take you to connect and install. In the medical field with equipment that is run hard long hours of the day there really is no other solution. With equipment going down for clinics hospitals or whatever hours can mean tens of thousands of dollars.

Evan if it both are installed wired and plumbed with valves you can always switch some valves and depending on your controller. As long as this happens when some one is around if your not. You might also want to someone you can trust who is familiar with your system to watch things while you are away.

Do you have a link to your media room build???hahhah

Thanks and no I'm not going to slip down that corridor until the first fish is in the display tank.............after that its media room heaven!!!!!!!!
 
Thanks and no I'm not going to slip down that corridor until the first fish is in the display tank.............after that its media room heaven!!!!!!!!


Once that happens, I don't think anybody will be walking past the tank to go anywhere. Oh, the intention may be there, but their attention will undoubtedly be arrested by something way better than the best movie ever made.
 
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