Coral Tank from Canada (1350gal Display Tank)

[Chago09]

Would 100psi be to high?

ummm see this is where things can get scientific. When people say RO Membrane they think there is one and only one. There is actually quite a few different types of RO Membranes. Made from different materials, constructed diffrently and all have their own pros and cons. Most residential ones are made the same, there cost is low for this reason. When it comes to residential RO Membranes, 100 psi is the center of the teeter totter. Some guys argue it is too high and will damage the membrane. Some guys argue the membrane is fine at 100 psi it produces the purest water with the least waste. 80 psi is what most of these residential units are tested on and rated on, thats why some say 100 is too high for those membranes. That being said in my local area (and my house) I have 100 psi. I use a home unit for my families drinking water and I have rent many drinking water systems to homes and companies who are also at 100 psi. I have coolers with 4 year old membranes still hitting less than 10 ppm which is considered really good considering our source is over 400ppm.

So from my personal experience, 100psi is fine on those membranes. I wouldn't want to go much higher, but 100 should be fine. Thats what seperates those residential ones from the commercial membranes. Commercial membranes can withstand over 400psi and because it can, it produce a lot of pure water with out wasting

 

[jmoney]

you might want to take a look at the high efficiency RO system from GE, I saw a guy that had one setup on the forums here awhile back, supposedly they work much faster, and for DI he took a large reactor and packed it full of DI resin, seemed to work well for him.

 

[jmoney]

think it was this one

http://www.premium-water-filters.com/ge-merlin-ro-system_models.html

or you could go crazy and use something like this

http://www.gewater.com/products/equipment/spiral_membrane/HERO.jsp

 

[RedM3]

Peter,

I've finally finished going through this whole thread. At 200+ pages, you can imagine it took quite a while. The level of detail to which you are documenting this build, your dedication to the project, and your generosity is absolutely incredible. Perhaps even more impressive than all that is your dedication to this community and your intent on responding to each post individually. I find it remarkable that in a post of this size, anyone would make that much of an effort to communicate with complete strangers - forget about someone who's time must be incredibly consumed with the project, let alone the rest of your personal life.

I am curious about one aspect of the finished product once you have it stocked (although I guess a project of this nature is never really "finished"). How does one go about feeding all the livestock? Perhaps it is my ignorance to the upkeep of such a large tank or my inexperience in the hobby (only about 6 months), but I find it an interesting bit. I'm guessing 1350 gallons isn't large enough to maintain an ecosystem to provide much self dependency. In a small tank, such as my 55 gallon, it is pretty obvious which fish feed and which don't, and I typically only need to feed from one location. In a huge tank about 24 feet long, how do you ensure all the fish are getting proper nutrition?

Jeff

 

[SunnyX]

Anyone who has been following this thread from the outset knows that I got 2200 lbs of Jakarta premium branch rock for my aquascape. I am now facing my wife who is asking what I am planning to do with the rock left over. It's nice looking rock but it is no longer live. Any one within driving distance of Oakville who would like/need some free dead live rock is welcome to come and get some. I am sending some to thunder bay to a member of this community. Its been sitting in a kiddie pool full of uncirculated salt water but I'm pretty sure its dead by now. There's also a tour of the tank for any takers....... just let me know soon because my wife has me on a short noose!!!!


Peter

I'm heading out to your area to pick up my new tank from Miracles in a few weeks, would love to check out your setup!

 

[nineball]

Peter,

I've finally finished going through this whole thread. At 200+ pages, you can imagine it took quite a while. The level of detail to which you are documenting this build, your dedication to the project, and your generosity is absolutely incredible. Perhaps even more impressive than all that is your dedication to this community and your intent on responding to each post individually. I find it remarkable that in a post of this size, anyone would make that much of an effort to communicate with complete strangers - forget about someone who's time must be incredibly consumed with the project, let alone the rest of your personal life.

I am curious about one aspect of the finished product once you have it stocked (although I guess a project of this nature is never really "finished"). How does one go about feeding all the livestock? Perhaps it is my ignorance to the upkeep of such a large tank or my inexperience in the hobby (only about 6 months), but I find it an interesting bit. I'm guessing 1350 gallons isn't large enough to maintain an ecosystem to provide much self dependency. In a small tank, such as my 55 gallon, it is pretty obvious which fish feed and which don't, and I typically only need to feed from one location. In a huge tank about 24 feet long, how do you ensure all the fish are getting proper nutrition?

Jeff

Thank you very much Jeff, especially for wading through the entire thread. In answer to your question I feed the fish from three locations and I use the knowledge of how the flow works best to position myself to the best advantage for the fish. I keep an eye on the fish I am most concerned with to make sure they are eating. The majority of food is frozen shrimp of various sizes.....and no one complains. I also add the garlic flavoured red seaweed which they seem to like as well. The clowns in the Wilson Bars get flakes and brine shrimp and the scorpion gets live fish. Feeding is obviously a labour intensive process which I eventually will streamline but for the time being I want to keep an eye on all the critters while the motivation and passion is so high.

Peter

 

[JohnDQI]

Peter has about 80 psi of town water pressure. We also installed a mixing valve to bring up his water temperature with just a bit of hot water, as per the RO manufactures recommendation.

 

[Rybren]

I guess that everyone has been too busy with the RO/DI discussion and totally missed the videos that John posted.

Wow!

What a tank!

I'm GREEN with envy!

Nice work fellas. Can't wait to see it loaded with corals.

 

[nineball]

I guess that everyone has been too busy with the RO/DI discussion and totally missed the videos that John posted.

Wow!

What a tank!

I'm GREEN with envy!

Nice work fellas. Can't wait to see it loaded with corals.

Thanks, you have the honour of being the first to comment and the entire team thanks you for taking the time.

Peter

 

[Poriferan]

I too was shocked that no discussion has been placed on the AWESOME videos. The flow looks good from the surface movement, the fish seem happy (I need to see more ) The rock work is stellar. I love it!!!

 

[nineball]

I too was shocked that no discussion has been placed on the AWESOME videos. The flow looks good from the surface movement, the fish seem happy (I need to see more ) The rock work is stellar. I love it!!!

Thanks Poriferan, I hope it doesn't look like we are 'fishing' for compliments.

Peter

 

[chingchai]

I guess the video will be successful. It's been 44 minutes since I posted part 1 and already have 44 views...

John. Thank you for your time to present these 3 video clips.
I appreciate it.

 

[Kevin012]

ahhhhh, finaly I made it as well threw the entire story.

boy what a info, I bin trying to write all things I learned, however I skiped I think 2 things.

- what do you use as VFD, can profilux do this, a light computter ore what?

- I have seen ECODECO come by for a short moment, however I did not find the deep input thoughts about it.

I think there system could work wel in a mid large tank of 300G and up.

I have bin in contact with them for a while, to find out more, and it is gust the lack of budget at this time, otherwise I would try to build it myselve (sponsors are welcome)

I think 1.5 to 2K wil do, as the info I got tels me thy only mesure redox, and adjust parameters accordingly (the info on there website, and as patented is the old version) this system in the beginning was very complex, but thy trimmed it down to a basick redox and dosing setup

at least some thing like it, I wish I could put up a test tank, but would need the funding to do so, and figger out the trick.

this all as I curently have a 450 gal setup, and are locking at options for a new and hope bigger tank after we move next year.

anyone interested in a 450G set up, it might be pricy, but you get the house with it !!!

peter, Mr wilson, any input about ecodeco and your VFD

thanks Kevin

 

[SaraB]

Sorry, I had skipped over the video clips as well. Water movement looks fantastic and that glass is darn clean!!! Love the wrasses, anthias and firefish pair!

 

[Chago09]

Well I just got home and sat down at the computer and had to post. I personally got to meet Peter and had a tour of the tank and the fishroom. My God! Pictures and videos just don't do it justice. You need to physically stand in front of this thing to appreciate its size and beauty. Peter did an amazing job in planning this project as you can see in the thread. And his sidekick Mr. Wilson and friends did an incredible job at making it reality. The T rex head in photos looks like its the size of a fist, in real life its the size of your head. The rockwork and canyons are second to none. The best part is you stand their in front of this beast with flow in so many directions and hundreds of feet of piping below the system, and you don't hear a thing. It is silent, you don't even hear the slightest trickle. Basically when I completly turn off everything on my tank and just see the fish swimming around but no pumps are on, thats what it is like. My god the Toronto Zoo needs to go to Peters and learn something.

I can't compliment it enough, my wife isn't really fond of the hobby to begin with and I got home and told her all about it like a excited school boy. She just stared at the tv and pretended like I didn't exist LOL Marriage :inlove: LOL So I had to tell someone!!! I'm honoured to even get the oppurtunity to say I added something to that system. See you tomorrow, Peter.

 

[dahenley]

well, with 205 pages of pure good info, all i can say is wow.....

i can remember when threads only went to 40 pages... that means that this would have split 5 times and your on your 1/8 the way for a 6th split!!!

(they should sticky this thread for not only an amazing build, but for the enormous amount of diverse information!! )

 

[Hocky]

Awesome tank!

 

[nineball]

Well I just got home and sat down at the computer and had to post. I personally got to meet Peter and had a tour of the tank and the fishroom. My God! Pictures and videos just don't do it justice. You need to physically stand in front of this thing to appreciate its size and beauty. Peter did an amazing job in planning this project as you can see in the thread. And his sidekick Mr. Wilson and friends did an incredible job at making it reality. The T rex head in photos looks like its the size of a fist, in real life its the size of your head. The rockwork and canyons are second to none. The best part is you stand their in front of this beast with flow in so many directions and hundreds of feet of piping below the system, and you don't hear a thing. It is silent, you don't even hear the slightest trickle. Basically when I completly turn off everything on my tank and just see the fish swimming around but no pumps are on, thats what it is like. My god the Toronto Zoo needs to go to Peters and learn something.

I can't compliment it enough, my wife isn't really fond of the hobby to begin with and I got home and told her all about it like a excited school boy. She just stared at the tv and pretended like I didn't exist LOL Marriage :inlove: LOL So I had to tell someone!!! I'm honoured to even get the oppurtunity to say I added something to that system. See you tomorrow, Peter.

Thanks Chago I appreciate your enthusiam and selfishly your water knowledge. I also acknowledge your insight that this was a team effort and I look forward to incorporating your contribution to the continuing search for best practices in this hobby. This may well close the RO/DI chapter for this build.

Peter

 

[nineball]

Sorry, I had skipped over the video clips as well. Water movement looks fantastic and that glass is darn clean!!! Love the wrasses, anthias and firefish pair!

Thanks very much Sara. I know its long but in the second part is the flasher in full bloom. Did you catch him/her/it?

Peter

 

[nineball]

well, with 205 pages of pure good info, all i can say is wow.....

i can remember when threads only went to 40 pages... that means that this would have split 5 times and your on your 1/8 the way for a 6th split!!!

(they should sticky this thread for not only an amazing build, but for the enormous amount of diverse information!! )

Thank you sir, you are too kind.

Peter