creating a damsel tank

Sk8r

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Damsels are my favorite fish.
They're (mostly) cheap, tough, very colorful, some will school, and they're not at all as aggressive as portrayed, if you have a proper tank to house them.
First of all they take ROOM. You can have many---but to have most species of damsel besides clownfish (yes, they are damsels) and chromis, you have to a) go for one of a kind (with clowns 2 is ok, 3 is not; and with chromis you go by odd numbers. You can have 1 in a 50 gallon, 3 in a 100, etc. They're the easiest schooling fish. But read ALL of this post)

Given a 100 gallon tank, you can have 3 chromis and half a dozen damsels of assorted (but not same!) species with never a ripped fin. They're tolerant of other species---tangs, angels, even the gentle mandys are safe with them; gobies, blennies and basslets like the colorful royal gramma are ok. Beware of two species: the blue velvet (a black fish with a white band and a V of electric blue on its head) which is better in a 150 gallon, and kind of cranky; and the garabaldi, which is bright orange---and then grows up to a monster size that requires a monster tank.

The following is a repost from my blog on the same:
Understanding damsels, chromis, clowns...
These are the professional 'little guys' of the reef.
They require much more space than people realize: 100 gallons is good...for most.
They're also good 'dither fish,' who reassure other fish the coast is clear.

You can see dozens of them about a reef. Let a predator swim by and---boink!---if you blinked you missed it. They've all vanished.

WHere? Each fish individually has a tiny hole somewhere in the corals. No room for two. There's an ideal spot that's 'home', and it'll go there. It'll stay there til the predator shadow passes. They're also in that hole at night.

The size and type of refuge is closely dependent on species. And these fish don't usually share. It's THEIR hole, and they'll kill any fish that keeps trying to take it over. Who's likeliest to try? One of their own species, same size, same fit. This is a life and death thing: this involves safety. They can't be shoved out to be eaten. So if you have a small tank with minimal 'holes', you'll find damsels of the same species or of close size requirements getting ripped up and eventually disappearing.

Big enough tank, everybody's got a home, everybody's cool.

Clowns happen to do this hiding-number in anemones, and change sex to pair up. This is why they're so popular. You can't go wrong mating them.

I say---MOST are small fish. I've seen a domino damsel the size of a dinner plate. And clowns can reach five inches---that's saucer sized. The red clowns get that big. Clarkiis nearly. These have teeth, quite visible teeth, and bite, I'm here to tell you. The smaller clowns are ok in a smaller tank, and the chromises and the azure and yellow tail damsels can go in a 50 just fine. I recommend 1 damsel of a kind in a 50---they don't like to be crowded up---but they adjust quite handily. The little clowns are ok in anything that makes their nem happy: that's kind of their permanent hidey hole.

Damsels up and politicking with each other convinces everybody on the reef that it's safe to come out.

If you HAVE the right tank, and want fish to school up and swim---well, damsels won't quite do it, but you won't notice that much---because they herd one another into motion, so there's a constant game of bumper cars going on, a streamer of fish going round and round your reef. Because they pick mostly on their own rivals, and nobody gets nipped much except if you've got too little room for them to hide in, they're color, motion, and a lotta fish for a little money (except for the orange Garabaldis, which are another whale-sized damsel anyway.) THey don't eat corals, they don't bother other species, and they're easy keepers. They're healthy fish, come in many colors and patterns (like angelfish, they sometimes change color and pattern as they grow, so look at what the adult looks like to be sure that suits you.) They're really compatible with just about everybody, blennies, gobies, tangs, angels, and whatever: they don't bother anybody but their own species.

Just be sure you have plenty of hiding spots (branching coral is a favorite) and that you've got a good variety of types.

Of all the tanks I've had, I think my damsel-100 was my hands-down favorite.
 
another awesome write up sir....

if heard you mention your damsel tank several times. by chance you have any pics?
 
Ive always loved my damsel dont know why they get a bad rap ...colors, hardy, swim everywhere, = fascinating! + Damsel
 
I had 3 damsels, they were all pretty aggressive...gave two to my friend and the one I got left is still a little on the mean side.
 
Nice to find another damsel lover ;)

I'm drafting up the plans on a larger tank now and planning to do islands of formations so my 2 damsels can have their own side of the tank. Hopefully that works out as planned.

I have a ~1" yellowtail and a 2" neon velvet.

For some reason this combination is working out very well in my tank currently, and I have my theories as to why, but I wouldn't expect it to lost past a few months to a year. Hence the larger tank in the works.
 
Not doubting your experience, but would like to provide mine as a comparison.

I do not have 100g, but mine is a 75 with lots of rock to hide in. My 3 stripe has created is own little Thunderdome wiping out all of my other inhabitants: pair of occ, canary blenny, yellowtail, domino, azure (after the yellowtail, never had more than 2 at a time), firefish. And has also developed a taste for xenia, he is free to anyone that wants to control their crops. This bummed me out as much as the fish he killed, I loved the motion.

Completely get that each fish has a personality of their own, I got one that was a stone cold killer, and you obviously had the opposite experience.

I appreciate the writeup and as always your posts are informative and helpful, please take no offense, I am not disagreeing with your post. You are correct about them adding color and movement to your tank.
 
This was an eye opening read. I'm a newbie. I have a 6 ft. 125 gallon that currently only has a pair of false percula clowns and a serpent starfish. This tank has been running since May, though I recently moved it to our new home 3 weeks ago. I have not acquired these fish yet, but I have a deal in place to get a watchmen goby, a green banded goby, a 6 line wrasse and peppermint shrimp. I know I wanted to add some more peppermint shrimp, and I wanted some damsels, but with their reputation, I've been steering clear. I really like the yellowtails and the azure, among some others. Any chance you'd be willing to recommend a blend of damsels I could add to this mix that would work? The only other things I think I'd be adding is a clean up crew of some kind, and one of the small tangs... kole, tomini... or maybe powder blue (I'd really like this one). Any insight appreciated. Thanks... and great read!

-Rich
 
The pushy one in my tank is the 3-stripe dascyllus black and white damsel. ALL dascyllus species are potentially pushy: they grow fast, they're larger than some, and they are territorial. The other that can be way pushy is the so called blue velvet, which is a black fish with a white band and an electric blue V that makes it quite spectacular. He, however, couldn't hold a candle to my mated pair (when I had him) of clarkii clowns: mr velvet ran in terror of that pair.

My current mix is a small group of black axil chromis (actually look like blue-green chromis), a Fiji blue devil (pretty mild), a blue star, an azure (looks a lot like the yellowtail but is not as mildmannered), and (because I couldn't resist him) a golden onespot dascyllus. I tested that one by floating the bag in view of the 3-stripe, to see if he would attack, and I was prepared to surrender that fish to the local fish store, bag and all, if he was going to become a target. Nope. Best of friends. Two fish aren't a school, but they're frequently together.

That's about the crew (with the YWG pair and blennies, and gramma) for a 102. I'm about maxed out. No nipped fins. No fights.

What I do recommend with setup for damsels is a) have a lot of holes and a real maze of rock: they become much calmer if they have plenty of hiding places. Chromis kill each other over sleeping spaces. b) arrange at least 3 vertical spires, holey and twisted as you can manage, widely separated. Their fishy little brains seem to find these comforting as boundaries or home base---whatever their thinking is. At least they break up the tank into zones and this seems, even in a wedge-shaped tank, to provide some sense of 'this is mine' for them. The 3-stripe remains his pushy self, never bites anybody, but is the owner of the back 3rd of the tank, admitting only the gold onespot, the two blennies, and the gramma, who pops up to annoy him. And the blue star seems to go everywhere, but is kind of a quiet, mostly gray fellow. The blennies ignore the damsels. Damsels don't seem to realize blennies and gobies as anything but furniture, like the rocks.

My principal advice is balance adult sizes---and do NOT get multiples of the same species, except chromis, who will school.

You will see chases---which is why you want a large tank. But the chases are only to clear territory. And that's why you have those 3 spires. Beyond a certain rock, the chase reliably stops. They're creatures of simple brain. And if you just don't put somebody who looks too much like them into what they consider 'their' space, they're pretty calm. The LAST thing you want is a mated pair: cf my clarkii clowns above.
 
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I've always had damsels when I had my tanks setup. I never had too many problems with them. I used to keep two blue velvets in a 55 and them fought some but never that much. They each claimed a side of the tank and never bothered any other fish with them. The only problem with them the lose the color when they get bigger and no longer look as good.
 
One of the more frightening sights at the Seattle aquarium big dome: I swear they have a domino damsel the size of a salad plate. ;) (Dominoes are another dascyllus, and a wee bit pushy, like the 3-stripe.)
 
Yeah my velvet chases the yellowtail, but has never caused any bodily harm, no nipped fins either. The yellowtail is actually very aggressive for his kind and stands up to the velvet despite being half the velvet's size, or even smaller. They get along pretty well, but do give chase.

When I add something new to the tank like a HOB skimmer, the yellowtail wants to check it out and the velvet keeps chasing him away and then suspiciously eyeing the device like it's going to suck them up.

I fell in love with the velvet when I saw it as a full grown adult at a local museum. Big, mostly dark grey-brown, with this tiny bit of white and blue along its spine as a memento of the colors of its childhood. The vivid blue on black is fun, but I find their temperament and body shape to be more appealing personally. I'd never judge a fish by its scales.
 
I've tried numerous damsels over the years in my tanks, blue, yellow tailed blue, domino, 3 stripe. They have all turned aggressive towards other tank inhabitants causing many bit fins and stress deaths. The only damsel I've found to be truly safe are Green Chromis. I have 3 in my 80g now and they get along swimmingly with the other inhabitants.
 
I have always liked the look of damsels, plus they are relatively cheap which is a bonus in this hobby. I am setting up a 265 gal tank in the next few months and currently have one yellowtail and one blue in seperate tanks. Should I be able to put these together in the one big tank and any suggestions for any other damsels I could add? If so how many would be a max? I will have obviously other fish like tankgs and angels as well!
 
I'd say vary them, give them spires and room, one type per species. I'm doing fine with two quite different dascyllus in a 100, as per earlier statements in this thread, but avoid by all means getting a mated pair of anything The territorial claims of a breeding pair will be huge, and a pita. One of a kind. YOu can get multiple chromis safely, up to a point.

People are always asking for fish that will behave as a school, and few will in our tanks, but anthias and damsels. Damsels don't even care if they're they same species: they just move about, chase a bit, stop, the next guy chases, and it all goes round and round with the effect of a school, a lot of motion but no real nipping IF you have matched your fish load to the size tank.
 
When I cycled my 1st SW tank the "test fish" was a blue/yellow damsel. Back then I didn't know any better and was going off the advice of my LFS. Anyways my cycle was done and he lived a few years in the tank with some Aggressive fish and a SFE. I'm not sure who got him, the eel , the trigger, or my cat. I really suspect the cat cause I had a HoB filter and it would stick it foot in trying to catch the fish as they swam by. After all that I never got another one even thoughI did enjoy him darting all over the tank.
 
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