Cubed & Squared

[Bello]

Thanks Troub

I do like that shot, and didn't realize I was only taking top-downs and FTS's till date :lol:

I wanted to upload a couple more fishie pics, but they're too grainy...I'll do better next time.

Bloody Flameback is enjoying life in solitary...... pity....it took me quite a while to get one ...wish it were still in the DT.

I like millies too....millies don't like me ....Have a hard time getting them to keep their colors, dunno why... the rest do fine....just these :furious:...Hopefully this new one should behave, fingers crossed.

New Year's resolution for you .... coral dump ....

 

[Fail_sh3d]

Haha, I just posted on your thread, cool tank btw

I think I'll dip a few of the paler frags tomorrow, and see if I find any of those little monsters. Thankfully, I've only lost one frag that I can attribute completely to AEFW.

Thanks again!

And hopefully you won't find anything AEFW related. How did you deal with the eggs when you found them?

 

[biggles]

Love your latest tank pics mate, awesome perspective and i love your old man blue tang - hard to believe i know but that's the one fish i really want when i get the new tank going, i had a blue tang once and i have a soft spot for a fish that looks so ridiculously blue lol. I also want a purple tang again as they're another favorite of mine. I'm still going to try the multibar angel next year despite the anthias debacle - i've discovered i have a big nasty bastard crab living in the back rock work so a trap is on order, discovered him when shining a torch behind the rocks looking for those fish. Bastard's been in there from the start and i want him out as he looks bad to me.
You know i mean this in a good way mate but how accurate is the paleness of the acros in those pics, are they really that wishy washy in real life or are the colors more saturated in real life. Your growth is way better than mine so i think we need to send each other 50% of our water lol.
I can't believe you put all those bloody angels in the tank lol - you're as crazy as me i've come to realise Bello :lol2: who dares wins right mate :thumbsup:

I need to make a coffee before i cut loose on you about giving away that ' scrawny green guy ' - you know i have zero smooth skinned acros right bello despite searching high and low......... i would buy a smooth skinned no matter what the color just to have one Bello......... you bastard.

 

[biggles]

That brown one top middle will be a nice purple i think mate. The blue tipped one top right will be a nice one too. I'd give that milli lots of flow and light i think but i don't like milli's much. I'd love a really pastel pink one like Andrew has but i think the zeo is a big factor too so i doubt i'll ever be able to color one up like he has with his reef in the sky.
i already told you how i like any of the smooth deep water acros since i can't ever get any so i like all those acros despite the green colors lol. The one you attacked looks cool too, stick bits everywhere and see which ones go the best then just transfer the others to make those frags bigger in the best locations.
I'd break both those pocil's into pieces small enough to flush.............. failing that i'd cut that green one along the obvious fissure between the branches and mount the pink colony in front of the now concave green profile pocil slightly off center to each other and with the pink colony about 1" lower than the green one. The contrast would look cool i think and use the small green pocil off cut as a backdrop for an acro that has contrasting colors. Just throwing out some ideas mate, i wish you were able to actually purchase stuff knowing what you were going to get
What's the plan for sorting out those acro colors Bello, are you using any SPS foods regularly mate. Everything from acro crabs, acros, pods, stars and every other critter loves reef roids, cyclop-eeze and mysis mush which is why i feed them so much. I'd be confident of holding my colors with those foods if i removed the fish and might just try that when i have the second tank going by transferring my boys out of the 65 gal. Glad to see you got on top of that cyano issue you were having, Troub could use your advice atm i think.
Overall your tanks and corals look healthy and you're definitely on the right track now mate. :beer:

 

[Bello]

Quick pic update, wife's yelling at me

 

[biggles]

Colors are looking better in these pics mate, how high are you running the LED's now btw as i know you were experimenting. The 400W radium has certainly paled most of my acros a tad and they're still adjusting so less intensity might help with saturation. My display looks twice as bright to my eyes as the LED sump yet from experimenting with acros i know the actual intensity is similar - your eyes are a bad guide to judging LED intensity i've discovered.
What's that pink polyped thing, love that one mate. That whitish looking echinata type acro is growing like a weed - i'm jealous big time as i love the wild thickety branched acros i see in everyone's tanks except bloody mine lol.
The scape is going to look terrific once the acros grow out and start bridging those nice gaps between the rocks :thumbsup:

 

[sahin]

I agree with Biggles; the saturation of the coral colours look better in these photos.

By the way my Aussie Echinata is doing superb. With my new lights I am getting strong blue tips with the creamy white body.

I have began to feed my corals with mashed Mysis and Reef Roids. Perhaps you can try something similar for your corals Bello?

 

[biggles]

By the way my Aussie Echinata is doing superb. With my new lights I am getting strong blue tips with the creamy white body.

Doing superb is it Sahin........... i just finshed moaning about not having any and you just had to point out that yours is crackalacking........ you bastard mate.

 

[sahin]

Doing superb is it Sahin........... i just finshed moaning about not having any and you just had to point out that yours is crackalacking........ you bastard mate.

Sorry mate, your moaning reminded me of mine my Echinata ...and I have two versions as well... The other one is just metallic green though...doesnt seem to get the blue tips...but structure is very similar.

 

[biggles]

Sorry mate, your moaning reminded me of mine my Echinata ...and I have two versions as well... The other one is just metallic green though...doesnt seem to get the blue tips...but structure is very similar.

Oh that's no good to hear, just a metallic green echi you say........... #&@&$#!

 

[sahin]

Oh that's no good to hear, just a metallic green echi you say........... #&@&$#!

:lmao:

 

[Bello]

Thanks again!

And hopefully you won't find anything AEFW related. How did you deal with the eggs when you found them?

Fingers crossed!! Just scraped them off when I finally found those punks!!

Love your latest tank pics mate, awesome perspective and i love your old man blue tang - hard to believe i know but that's the one fish i really want when i get the new tank going, i had a blue tang once and i have a soft spot for a fish that looks so ridiculously blue lol. I also want a purple tang again as they're another favorite of mine. I'm still going to try the multibar angel next year despite the anthias debacle - i've discovered i have a big nasty bastard crab living in the back rock work so a trap is on order, discovered him when shining a torch behind the rocks looking for those fish. Bastard's been in there from the start and i want him out as he looks bad to me.
You know i mean this in a good way mate but how accurate is the paleness of the acros in those pics, are they really that wishy washy in real life or are the colors more saturated in real life. Your growth is way better than mine so i think we need to send each other 50% of our water lol.
I can't believe you put all those bloody angels in the tank lol - you're as crazy as me i've come to realise Bello :lol2: who dares wins right mate :thumbsup:

I need to make a coffee before i cut loose on you about giving away that ' scrawny green guy ' - you know i have zero smooth skinned acros right bello despite searching high and low......... i would buy a smooth skinned no matter what the color just to have one Bello......... you bastard.

I think blue tangs are so underrated in the hobby, just because they're common....it's a pity, because they're unique in terms of finnage and colors. My favorite tang, by far. I just lost my purple tang, when I moved him to the drop off. That was the last straw with that tank. The end.

Hope you get that damned crab....But how??...Crab trap?....Chainsaw?... Fire!!!!

That brown one top middle will be a nice purple i think mate. The blue tipped one top right will be a nice one too. I'd give that milli lots of flow and light i think but i don't like milli's much. I'd love a really pastel pink one like Andrew has but i think the zeo is a big factor too so i doubt i'll ever be able to color one up like he has with his reef in the sky.
i already told you how i like any of the smooth deep water acros since i can't ever get any so i like all those acros despite the green colors lol. The one you attacked looks cool too, stick bits everywhere and see which ones go the best then just transfer the others to make those frags bigger in the best locations.
I'd break both those pocil's into pieces small enough to flush.............. failing that i'd cut that green one along the obvious fissure between the branches and mount the pink colony in front of the now concave green profile pocil slightly off center to each other and with the pink colony about 1" lower than the green one. The contrast would look cool i think and use the small green pocil off cut as a backdrop for an acro that has contrasting colors. Just throwing out some ideas mate, i wish you were able to actually purchase stuff knowing what you were going to get
What's the plan for sorting out those acro colors Bello, are you using any SPS foods regularly mate. Everything from acro crabs, acros, pods, stars and every other critter loves reef roids, cyclop-eeze and mysis mush which is why i feed them so much. I'd be confident of holding my colors with those foods if i removed the fish and might just try that when i have the second tank going by transferring my boys out of the 65 gal. Glad to see you got on top of that cyano issue you were having, Troub could use your advice atm i think.
Overall your tanks and corals look healthy and you're definitely on the right track now mate.

I'm going to go bananas on the feeding very soon, primarily with roids and cyclopeeze. Cyano seems to be on its way out, so that's a good sign.

I really hope those 2 turn purple, don't have any proper purples in the system yet. I really wish that millie turns out Andrew (reefinthesky style)...I'd love that! It's placed as you said, and yep after I broke the bigger deepwater acro, I placed frags in both tanks, high/low light ...... just everywhere. The pink pocci went along with the green one to my buddy...so no chop chop there. BUT, my abrolhensis started to STN, and I used the BCM (biggles's chop method), to graft and make it presentable again...I'm getting braver, thanks to you, lol.

Colors are looking better in these pics mate, how high are you running the LED's now btw as i know you were experimenting. The 400W radium has certainly paled most of my acros a tad and they're still adjusting so less intensity might help with saturation. My display looks twice as bright to my eyes as the LED sump yet from experimenting with acros i know the actual intensity is similar - your eyes are a bad guide to judging LED intensity i've discovered.
What's that pink polyped thing, love that one mate. That whitish looking echinata type acro is growing like a weed - i'm jealous big time as i love the wild thickety branched acros i see in everyone's tanks except bloody mine lol.
The scape is going to look terrific once the acros grow out and start bridging those nice gaps between the rocks :thumbsup:

I agree with Biggles; the saturation of the coral colours look better in these photos.

By the way my Aussie Echinata is doing superb. With my new lights I am getting strong blue tips with the creamy white body.

I have began to feed my corals with mashed Mysis and Reef Roids. Perhaps you can try something similar for your corals Bello?

The led's are on for 12 hours total, full blast for 4 hours only, have 2 channels of led. First channel is about 160w per tank, on 12 hrs. Second channel is about 120w per tank, on for 4hrs. So max lighting is usually 280 to 300w, led. No optics.

I've realized its really easy to fool people into thinking how bright the tank is with leds... you could easily run the tank with about 100w white leds and it'd look brighter than my current config. Can't trust your eyes with leds, IMO. Need the par meter.

The pink polyped one, biggles, I believe is the Forest Fire digitata. Got that frag about a couple years ago, and when my old tank was going down the drain, gave it to the same buddy, where it thrived. Happy to have it back now .

Anyways, now for the bad news.....just found out I have AEFW again...ignorace was bliss....but the bubble has burst... I dipped the ones that seemed affected. Saw eggs in a tightly clustered acro, can't get to it, and its decision time now. Chop or not? Another option, dip everyday, till the eggs hatch? Guys, what do you think, need advise ....

I hope that after Christmas, I'll have enough time to remove EVERY acro from the acro tank for a full dip. I can't do both tanks, because I might just go mad

 

[Bello]

I forgot to mention, guys ...was too bummed with the AEFW again... that in the pics, all I've adjusted is the white balance. I guess the exposure makes the corals look more saturated. Some are still pale, but not zeo pale.

 

[martinphillip03]

Bello, I hope other people will chime in because I am no expert. I have read that you can put superglue over the eggs. Sorry, thats all I have. Good luck.

Marty

Anyways, now for the bad news.....just found out I have AEFW again...ignorace was bliss....but the bubble has burst... I dipped the ones that seemed affected. Saw eggs in a tightly clustered acro, can't get to it, and its decision time now. Chop or not? Another option, dip everyday, till the eggs hatch? Guys, what do you think, need advise ....

I hope that after Christmas, I'll have enough time to remove EVERY acro from the acro tank for a full dip. I can't do both tanks, because I might just go mad

 

[Bello]

Thanks Marty, what you tip you gave me, is something I didn't know . I appreciate it :thumbsup:

I'm really bummed with this episode, and have already dipped the affected corals. Still, I believe I need to take more action. QT'ing all corals now, is not an option. Best I can do is another round of dips. It just seems like a coral clock is reset with every instance, and rather frustrating. Hopefully post Christmas, I'll spend some time with the tank and figure out the best option.

Thanks for the help :thumbsup:

 

[Fail_sh3d]

Fingers crossed!! Just scraped them off when I finally found those punks!!



I think blue tangs are so underrated in the hobby, just because they're common....it's a pity, because they're unique in terms of finnage and colors. My favorite tang, by far. I just lost my purple tang, when I moved him to the drop off. That was the last straw with that tank. The end.

Hope you get that damned crab....But how??...Crab trap?....Chainsaw?... Fire!!!!




I'm going to go bananas on the feeding very soon, primarily with roids and cyclopeeze. Cyano seems to be on its way out, so that's a good sign.

I really hope those 2 turn purple, don't have any proper purples in the system yet. I really wish that millie turns out Andrew (reefinthesky style)...I'd love that! It's placed as you said, and yep after I broke the bigger deepwater acro, I placed frags in both tanks, high/low light ...... just everywhere. The pink pocci went along with the green one to my buddy...so no chop chop there. BUT, my abrolhensis started to STN, and I used the BCM (biggles's chop method), to graft and make it presentable again...I'm getting braver, thanks to you, lol.





The led's are on for 12 hours total, full blast for 4 hours only, have 2 channels of led. First channel is about 160w per tank, on 12 hrs. Second channel is about 120w per tank, on for 4hrs. So max lighting is usually 280 to 300w, led. No optics.

I've realized its really easy to fool people into thinking how bright the tank is with leds... you could easily run the tank with about 100w white leds and it'd look brighter than my current config. Can't trust your eyes with leds, IMO. Need the par meter.

The pink polyped one, biggles, I believe is the Forest Fire digitata. Got that frag about a couple years ago, and when my old tank was going down the drain, gave it to the same buddy, where it thrived. Happy to have it back now .

Anyways, now for the bad news.....just found out I have AEFW again...ignorace was bliss....but the bubble has burst... I dipped the ones that seemed affected. Saw eggs in a tightly clustered acro, can't get to it, and its decision time now. Chop or not? Another option, dip everyday, till the eggs hatch? Guys, what do you think, need advise ....

I hope that after Christmas, I'll have enough time to remove EVERY acro from the acro tank for a full dip. I can't do both tanks, because I might just go mad

I went nuclear on mine. I chopped, encased the eggs with super glue gel, and dipped.

I dipped in Revive. I dipped 1-2 times a week for 4 weeks.

I added a Sixline (not really sure if he did anything but it was more for self assurance).

I ended up winning the fight.

I'm sorry, Bello...

If you need any other info let me know.

I had gone from almost total loss to recovery in 4 months.

 

[Bello]

Glad to hear that you beat them :thumbsup:

I think going Nuclear is pretty much the only way to be sure . These monsters deserve much brutality :furious:

I just dipped ALL acros in my frag tank, found about 10 FW's, no eggs. I have a Sixline there, that is NEVER fed intentionally. So while can't say he hasn't helped, I certainly can say that keeping one does NOT guarantee NO AEFWs.

Since you dipped once/twice a week, did you notice any browning/loss in acro color?

I realize that I need to setup a QT system for future purchases, and also for QTing heavily infected corals. But that will take time.

Till then I'm not sure which way to go, go nuclear or just dip the ones I think are affected? The problem with going nuclear is the sheer number of coral. Don't know if I can manage it .

Thanks for weighing in with your thoughts, I have much to consider now :thumbsup:

 

[sahin]

Glad to hear that you beat them :thumbsup:

I think going Nuclear is pretty much the only way to be sure . These monsters deserve much brutality :furious:

I just dipped ALL acros in my frag tank, found about 10 FW's, no eggs. I have a Sixline there, that is NEVER fed intentionally. So while can't say he hasn't helped, I certainly can say that keeping one does NOT guarantee NO AEFWs.

Since you dipped once/twice a week, did you notice any browning/loss in acro color?

I realize that I need to setup a QT system for future purchases, and also for QTing heavily infected corals. But that will take time.

Till then I'm not sure which way to go, go nuclear or just dip the ones I think are affected? The problem with going nuclear is the sheer number of coral. Don't know if I can manage it .

Thanks for weighing in with your thoughts, I have much to consider now :thumbsup:

Going NUCLEAR is the only way to eradicate them. But it takes its toll on you as it is hard work.

IF you can setup a large shallow QT tank then that helps a lot. Remove all corals from the displays and then dip and place in QT tank. Dip corals 3-4 days for the first month and then every 5-7 days 2nd month. That will eradicate them for sure.

This is what I remember from memory. But there is a couple of nice AEFW dipping threads if you search that will confirm what I wrote and give a bit more info.

I fought them twice before. First time lost as I was inexperienced at fighting them, but 2nd time beat them.

Good luck.

 

[Fail_sh3d]

Glad to hear that you beat them :thumbsup:

I think going Nuclear is pretty much the only way to be sure . These monsters deserve much brutality :furious:

I just dipped ALL acros in my frag tank, found about 10 FW's, no eggs. I have a Sixline there, that is NEVER fed intentionally. So while can't say he hasn't helped, I certainly can say that keeping one does NOT guarantee NO AEFWs.

Since you dipped once/twice a week, did you notice any browning/loss in acro color?

I realize that I need to setup a QT system for future purchases, and also for QTing heavily infected corals. But that will take time.

Till then I'm not sure which way to go, go nuclear or just dip the ones I think are affected? The problem with going nuclear is the sheer number of coral. Don't know if I can manage it .

Thanks for weighing in with your thoughts, I have much to consider now :thumbsup:

Only a few corals were miserable in color. Everything else would color up within 3 days.

I tried Bayer my first time. It was too harsh. Too chemically strong. I lost corals.

Revive has been a blessing. I will never not use it.

You'll get through this, buddy.

 

[Bello]

Going NUCLEAR is the only way to eradicate them. But it takes its toll on you as it is hard work.

IF you can setup a large shallow QT tank then that helps a lot. Remove all corals from the displays and then dip and place in QT tank. Dip corals 3-4 days for the first month and then every 5-7 days 2nd month. That will eradicate them for sure.

This is what I remember from memory. But there is a couple of nice AEFW dipping threads if you search that will confirm what I wrote and give a bit more info.

I fought them twice before. First time lost as I was inexperienced at fighting them, but 2nd time beat them.

Good luck.

Only a few corals were miserable in color. Everything else would color up within 3 days.

I tried Bayer my first time. It was too harsh. Too chemically strong. I lost corals.

Revive has been a blessing. I will never not use it.

You'll get through this, buddy.

Thanks a ton guys :thumbsup:

I need to do more research. I've dipped some of the corals already, found a few bunches of eggs on a couple. So it's definitely bad. The problem is, time!

I feel guilty about it, but I just don't know if I can commit that much time right now. I'm not comfortable setting another tank (QT), and transferring the corals immediately. I need to be comfortable with it's workings before I risk shifting the corals.

Thanks for all the support at this crappy time, I appreciate it