Cupramine - Goldrim

[Coffeeinbed]

Hi all,

I read through the TTM thread and tried Hypo some years ago. Hypo worked great -the fish came to life and all ich died -until I got the process wrong and killed everything. I could be persuaded to use TTM if I could use a 5 gallon bucket for transfer .

Q) Can you use Copper on a Goldrim?

 

[Dmorty217]

Yes you can. If using cupramine make SURE your not using any water conditioners like prime or anything similar. Also ramp up the concentration of cupramine over several days

 

[scooter31707]

What are you treating?

 

[Coffeeinbed]

Yes you can. If using cupramine make SURE your not using any water conditioners like prime or anything similar. Also ramp up the concentration of cupramine over several days

Great news and a relief. What salinity do you recommend?

What are you treating?

I'm not treating anything -yet. I've been through the agony of "ich" in the past and want to be ready. Years ago, hyposalinity was guesswork and TTM didn't exist, the only "sure" method was copper. But things change and coppers harshness was no secret even back then. It's the "easy button" for treating ich but not without risks.

You might end up with ich-free fish that are colorless and emaciated.

 

[Dmorty217]

If you want to treat just to be safe I would suggest chloroquine phosphate instead of copper. TTM is the least stressful and quickest way to ensure Ich free fish but I get your hesitation. In a QT environment I'm a big proponent of CP, in a DT it won't work because the bacterial levels in a DT are high enough to break down the CP and quickly

 

[ThRoewer]

+1 on the CP.
Velvet is much more scary than ich.
Ich may become a problem with new fish in a QT, but should never be a major issue in an established tank. If you get a full blown outbreak in an established tank despite quarantineing new fish for 2 months then something is stressing your fish (water quality, overstocked, incompatible fish) and you should identify and resolve the underlying issue before breaking out the chemicals.

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[Coffeeinbed]

I would suggest chloroquine phosphate

I'm all ears - I'm hear to listen to the pros. I'll have to look it up.

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1 on the CP.
Velvet is much more scary than ich.
Ich may become a problem with new fish in a QT, but should never be a major issue in an established tank. If you get a full blown outbreak in an established tank despite quarantineing new fish for 2 months then something is stressing your fish (water quality, overstocked, incompatible fish) and you should identify and resolve the underlying issue before breaking out the chemicals.

Great info. I wonder if ich can lay dormant for long long periods of time - years. Like the 7 year and 17 year cicadas.

 

[Dmorty217]

I'm all ears - I'm hear to listen to the pros. I'll have to look it up.

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Great info. I wonder if ich can lay dormant for long long periods of time - years. Like the 7 year and 17 year cicadas.

One study suggested 72 days but that was at 68 degrees which most of us aren't running. With that said higher temps than that should cause the lifespan to increase, thus making 72 days "a long period of time." Theoretically a higher temp than that should shorten the time, but this isn't bulletproof