Cyanide Collection

TJmach

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I'm just curious if any one has ever successfully treated any fishes that came in with cyanide poisoning? If so what was the process, amount of time, etc..

I have successfully been able to cure fishes from "the bends" on two occasions now but I would like to be able to treat for cyanide as well. I'm not worried about time, money or anything else. All ideas and experiences are welcome!!!

I'm more that happy to share my simple decompression chamber set up if anyone is interested? Let me know!
 
I would be very interested in seeing the decompression chamber. As to your question regarding cyanide, that I do not know.
 
I have never seen a successful treatment of cyanide captured fish. Many deep caught fish are pinned since decompression is difficult.
 
I would imagine it would be difficult if not impossible to treat fish that were collected with cyanide, since the mortality rate for fish that are collected that way is somewhere between 30-80%. From what I have read most fish will die within one to two weeks after being collected if they are going to, and some will slowly waste away due to liver damage and not being able to assimilate vitamins and minerals from foods. This maybe better answered by the Indonesian or phillipino who do this on a daily basis, but I doubt they use this site or the internet much
 
I wish there were a way to stop the support of collectors, that use this manner of collection. Unfortunately, this practice is too widespread, and too many retailers on-line and local rely on mass collectors to furnish their stores, and if all retail stores relied on private collectors, the price of this hobby would be unbearable, or the private collectors would resort to mass collection practices to keep up. I've even witnessed a LFS tell a buyer that the fish will die within the month because it was collected with cyanide, and they should just make plans to come back and buy another once it died. They still purchased the fish (naso tang), and it died within the month...

It's a shame, really. There really is no cure for cyanide...
 
Symptoms...perfectly healthy looking, acting, eating....then one morning you wake up to a dead fish.
 
I wish there were a way to stop the support of collectors, that use this manner of collection. Unfortunately, this practice is too widespread, and too many retailers on-line and local rely on mass collectors to furnish their stores, and if all retail stores relied on private collectors, the price of this hobby would be unbearable, or the private collectors would resort to mass collection practices to keep up. I've even witnessed a LFS tell a buyer that the fish will die within the month because it was collected with cyanide, and they should just make plans to come back and buy another once it died. They still purchase
 
There is a way to stop this! If you truly care about the collection method, get ahold of the LFS supplier/suppliers and find out!!! I'm sick of people saying "there's nothing we can do..". There's plenty we can do!! I haven't purchased through any supplier, in the last 3 years, that buys fish from cyanide collectors. I do still see cyanide collection on a regular basis... I own a business and I do not support these people killing OUR reefs! WE have a choice!! If you can afford this hobby then you can afford to do some research!! Come on people!!!

By the way I think I screwed up and I was trying to quote what someone said in the previous message....
 
There are clear signs if cyanide BTW. The actions of the fish make it very clear. It is different decisive behaviors in each species, but you can tell far before death what's going on if you know what to look for.
 
There is a way to stop this! If you truly care about the collection method, get ahold of the LFS supplier/suppliers and find out!!! I'm sick of people saying "there's nothing we can do..". There's plenty we can do!! I haven't purchased through any supplier, in the last 3 years, that buys fish from cyanide collectors. I do still see cyanide collection on a regular basis... I own a business and I do not support these people killing OUR reefs! WE have a choice!! If you can afford this hobby then you can afford to do some research!! Come on people!!!

By the way I think I screwed up and I was trying to quote what someone said in the previous message....

Agreed, but this would need to be a coordinated collaborative effort from a majority of the reefers and retailers worldwide. One person taking a stand against one (or even multiple stores) store wouldn't put a dent in the issue.

Timing is also important. If we got all of the reefers and retailers together, we would all have to take action at the same time. If only a percentage of us protested at any given time, there would still be enough business to keep the cyanide users still up and going.

Not saying that it can't be done. Just saying that it takes just more than you and I. Me personally, I only buy from a select few that don't use this practice (that I know of), but it takes more than that to negatively influence the suppliers...
 
There are clear signs if cyanide BTW. The actions of the fish make it very clear. It is different decisive behaviors in each species, but you can tell far before death what's going on if you know what to look for.

If you don't mind sharing, what are the clear signs?
 
There is a way to stop this! If you truly care about the collection method, get ahold of the LFS supplier/suppliers and find out!!! I'm sick of people saying "there's nothing we can do..". There's plenty we can do!! I haven't purchased through any supplier, in the last 3 years, that buys fish from cyanide collectors. I do still see cyanide collection on a regular basis... I own a business and I do not support these people killing OUR reefs! WE have a choice!! If you can afford this hobby then you can afford to do some research!! Come on people!!!

By the way I think I screwed up and I was trying to quote what someone said in the previous message....

You think LFS will tell you the truth? they will only tell you what you want to hear. My LFS told me Hippos are out of season due the price increase @ $35. I was able to purchase a hipo from another LFS for $19, don't see no season issue here.

If its really cyanide caught they will tell you its net caught and raise the price by %50 because its "NET CAUGHT". You really think LFS is going to pay those extreme prices to satisfy you and take a chance if they can sell the fish or not and be stuck with it? not to mention if the fish dies then its NADA for them.

Please don't take my reply as an argument, just stating the facts that LFS are slime ball when it comes to selling fish.
 
You think LFS will tell you the truth? they will only tell you what you want to hear. My LFS told me Hippos are out of season due the price increase @ $35. I was able to purchase a hipo from another LFS for $19, don't see no season issue here.

If its really cyanide caught they will tell you its net caught and raise the price by %50 because its "NET CAUGHT". You really think LFS is going to pay those extreme prices to satisfy you and take a chance if they can sell the fish or not and be stuck with it? not to mention if the fish dies then its NADA for them.

Please don't take my reply as an argument, just stating the facts that LFS are slime ball when it comes to selling fish.

You made not have meant that fist part to not be an argument, but the last "slime ball" part was. I used to work for a LFS and the owners would good people that charged a fair price. It was a mom and pop shop that had integrity to spare and were quite organized and strived to make constant improvements. We were meticulous about documenting every fish death from how it died, why it died, how long it had been in the store and which distributer it came from (which we already had information of the condition the fish arrived in and how well it was packaged). After a short while, it became obvious which suppliers were going to provide the best product and tanks full of dead fish and customers with constant complaints of dead ones as well was avoided.

If a fish was bought as a net caught, captive bred or captive raised then it was appropriately priced as such but never was a regular fish priced as anything more.

There are bad apples in every line of business that exists but that doesn't mean that your poor experiences justify such a blanket statement. Go with your gut. If you get a bad feeling about a store, or its owner or employees, take your business elsewhere. If you feel that you are being treated well by another, ask the right questions and see if they can provide the right answer.

Our owners believed that the best path to prosperity were to have returning customers. They believed that the best path to having returning customers was to provide them with a quality product and advice.

To TJmach's point... Yes we can all do our part. Quite often the smaller LFS are simply undermanned and under informed. Many of them are completely unaware of what areas of the world are more prone to such practices and a little education could go a long way for their business and the fish. It all starts with the individual. Personally, I know which three stores I'll purchase from and which two I won't go into. This has more to do with the history of the health of the fish in stock and track records from purchases but I do ask about where specific fish came from. For those reasons, I'm confident that they have avoided making purchases those that heavily use cyanide but I'm not so naive to think that some haven't passed thru their tanks.
 
Damn. It just seems that there should be a less harmful way to catch fish other than cyanide and dynamite.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtMs_6Z_jTE

Had no idea this was how mandarins were caught...:angryfire:

This makes the net caught fish that much more attractive, though I'm sure that is stressful as well. Again, I say: If there is going to be a difference made, it will require the majority of the hobbyist to take a stand...
 
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I wonder if DD fish are all net caught or just same as all the others and they just sell the ones that makes it
 
I appreciate people like "ilikefish34". It gives me a little bit of hope knowing there are a few of us that understand. Quote me on this, if you truly want to find out who is buying cyanide caught fish and who isn't there are plenty of resources to get you the information! If you're having trouble finding out wether or not your LFS is buying fish from cyanide, and other horrible collection method using suppliers, send me a PM and I'm more than happy to give you info on how to go about looking into it further.

I know I'm only one person and it would take a nation wide effort to make a noticeable difference but at least I am trying. I work closely with my local fish stores in my area and there are 3 of them in my area that are only ordering from suppliers with healthy collection methods. Your LFS in your area should realize the benefits of ordering from places that use these healthy methods. The dead loss from unhealthy collection far out weighs the little extra cost of better suppliers. If they can't see that then they should probably rethink their career.

By the way, has anyone seen what cyanide does to the reef? Scary that is going on. How many years do we even have left in this hobby if it continues the way it is? Yeah there are a few protected areas but the majority of places we get animals from are unrestricted and unprotected.
 
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