DARK's 210g on Polyp Labs System Reef-resh and Reef Roids
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DARKPHREAK
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Just a few pics. I still have HA on the baserock but its receding. Im finding the colors of the frags are very nice, richer. Adding an H&S Calcium Reactor 200CR-F3000 next month because the tank uses 110 ppm every 4-5 days and manually adding it is becoming a pain.
nexdog I am trying things. I have been using prodibio for almost 2 months and all I really noticed was lightening of my coral colors. that was all corals in the tank except xenia. soft corals,lps,and sps. I am not sure about less algea because the tank was bought as a whole and was pretty filthy when I got it. I had another tank before that was all sps and had to get out of the hobby for a while. anyway my girlfriend wanted a tank and I bought this turnkey deal to see if she would stay interested. she is way more interested than I thought so we upgraded. now havng the new tank I will know more of what is going on with algea. I do have to say I have not cleaned my glass since I started my lights on saturday and it is still very clear.
the prodibio is done on a weekly basis and I don't feel that if the corals are getting so light once a week or 2 weeks is enough. so I was thinking of using a few zeo products to make up for the feeding. then I saw this thread a couple weeks ago and some other info on finsreef and decided to try it . I only got plus,acid,and fuel. I was using vodka but there was not much info on how to dose it so I didn't know if what I was doing made any difference at all or was I overdosing? the fuel has a recommended doseage so I said what the heck. I am running 8 t5's on my 31 inch deep 265 now and I have acros high and about 6 inches off the bottom. I know it has only been a few days but I can see a difference a little bit everyday. it may also have something to do with brand new bulbs and a mix but I am loving the results I am getting. I bought a bunch of browned out corals at discount pricing to try and get good results. so far so good. I like feeding the corals everyday for now but when they get were I think there color is best I will surely back off some. right now I am dosing everything according to a 250 gallon system. the 265 really only holds 224 gallons when you measure the inside dimensions and I have 25-30 in the sump while the tank is running. I am also not dosing the polyplabs genesis/bacteria. I figure they prodibio reproduces and is supposed to be efficient for 2 weeks . if I don't get results I want I will try the genesis. I also don't like the fact of opening the bacteria then reclosing it everyday. may be perfectly fine just not sure about it.
nexdog if you order from finsreef in the U.S. it is $156 for the hole system american dollars instead of canadian. I am not sure how it converts in japan
the prodibio is done on a weekly basis and I don't feel that if the corals are getting so light once a week or 2 weeks is enough. so I was thinking of using a few zeo products to make up for the feeding. then I saw this thread a couple weeks ago and some other info on finsreef and decided to try it . I only got plus,acid,and fuel. I was using vodka but there was not much info on how to dose it so I didn't know if what I was doing made any difference at all or was I overdosing? the fuel has a recommended doseage so I said what the heck. I am running 8 t5's on my 31 inch deep 265 now and I have acros high and about 6 inches off the bottom. I know it has only been a few days but I can see a difference a little bit everyday. it may also have something to do with brand new bulbs and a mix but I am loving the results I am getting. I bought a bunch of browned out corals at discount pricing to try and get good results. so far so good. I like feeding the corals everyday for now but when they get were I think there color is best I will surely back off some. right now I am dosing everything according to a 250 gallon system. the 265 really only holds 224 gallons when you measure the inside dimensions and I have 25-30 in the sump while the tank is running. I am also not dosing the polyplabs genesis/bacteria. I figure they prodibio reproduces and is supposed to be efficient for 2 weeks . if I don't get results I want I will try the genesis. I also don't like the fact of opening the bacteria then reclosing it everyday. may be perfectly fine just not sure about it.
nexdog if you order from finsreef in the U.S. it is $156 for the hole system american dollars instead of canadian. I am not sure how it converts in japan
I see myself trying that for sure. I bought 30 packs though so it will be a while. I may keep the prodibio bio digest instead of the genesis from polyp lab. just because they are individual glass vials not exposed to the atmosphere until you are ready to use it. I have no clue if it matters at all I was talking with a fish store owner about it and it got me thinking more. I think the polyp lab alone should give great results as seen in this thread. the reef booster seems to be alot more concentrated as for the amino acids. I often wonder if we are just being fooled and it is just selco/selcon in that vial and is the polyp lab plus the same thing watered down. I wish they had to give you ingredients so we would know because selco is very cheap compared.
DARKPHREAK
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NexDog,
Ive got about 450g total volume and System Reef-resh(4 bottles) is running out. I should be able to get to week 7 then have to order some more.
Ive got about 450g total volume and System Reef-resh(4 bottles) is running out. I should be able to get to week 7 then have to order some more.
dirtyreefer
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I'm on my 4th week and I definitely notice new growth on a majority of my acros. What I mean by growth is both length and new branches. I can confidently say that this is due to the reefresh.
For coloration I notice a slight improvement.
Lastly for the water quality improvement, I can't say that I have noticed any difference at all with the reefresh. To me, the results are the same as dosing vodka, but much safer. The way I guage this is by how often I have to clean my glass. I still need to clean it every couple days, which I was hoping reefresh would help reduce. I am using a Deltec MCE600 skimmer with my 44g system, and I definitely need to upgrade my skimmer as this one barely keeps up with my system (believe it or not).
For coloration I notice a slight improvement.
Lastly for the water quality improvement, I can't say that I have noticed any difference at all with the reefresh. To me, the results are the same as dosing vodka, but much safer. The way I guage this is by how often I have to clean my glass. I still need to clean it every couple days, which I was hoping reefresh would help reduce. I am using a Deltec MCE600 skimmer with my 44g system, and I definitely need to upgrade my skimmer as this one barely keeps up with my system (believe it or not).
DARKPHREAK
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Due to financial constraints I am unable to continue using The System. I ran out of the product just as I was starting week 6, its been 2 weeks since I dosed the tank and I see some drastic changes in my sps. My Purple Monsters are begining to lose thier color and the lime green/teal stags are browning out. All parameters are normal, nothing has changed other then stoped using the product. I would hate to loose 1000's of dollars in sps, so if someone could give me some ideas how to combat whats going on in my tank please let me know. Sorry for the bad photo's but you can see the white tips.
This is what the Purple Monsters looked like, they grew really well and had nice color during the dosing of The System.
This is what the Purple Monsters looked like, they grew really well and had nice color during the dosing of The System.
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Either massive advertising, or it 'works'.
From the first picture it looks like you changed your lights, the color of the yellow tang in picture one to other pictures LOOKS different, as well as the glass/acryllic background. Maybe just my monitor/eyes?
Lighting can cause a tank's 'bad' algae to flourish. Sps will not die from lack of their new food source. Carl Weiss, Black Powder is stated to do these things too, and been debated, proven to work. Maybe should look into that? Many people bash it, saying the liquid reef additive looks like apple juice, but now people are adding vodka/sugar to their tanks, helping to boost nitrifying bacteria, therefore reducing nitrates, so actually, if it was apple juice, it would be doing the same as sugar. So he was selling good WORKING products!
But thats besides the point and i could be wrong, i just think that the products you are using are perhaps beneficial in that it COULD contian some sugars, amino acids, such things, corals USE, but im sure you could find the same success with other tried, tested products.
Oh, one last thing, coral (SPS) color does NOT define/indicate health!!!!!!!!
Hey man, us guys in Africa speak english and have internet, guess we can comment on stuff too! YEAH
From the first picture it looks like you changed your lights, the color of the yellow tang in picture one to other pictures LOOKS different, as well as the glass/acryllic background. Maybe just my monitor/eyes?
Lighting can cause a tank's 'bad' algae to flourish. Sps will not die from lack of their new food source. Carl Weiss, Black Powder is stated to do these things too, and been debated, proven to work. Maybe should look into that? Many people bash it, saying the liquid reef additive looks like apple juice, but now people are adding vodka/sugar to their tanks, helping to boost nitrifying bacteria, therefore reducing nitrates, so actually, if it was apple juice, it would be doing the same as sugar. So he was selling good WORKING products!
But thats besides the point and i could be wrong, i just think that the products you are using are perhaps beneficial in that it COULD contian some sugars, amino acids, such things, corals USE, but im sure you could find the same success with other tried, tested products.
Oh, one last thing, coral (SPS) color does NOT define/indicate health!!!!!!!!
Hey man, us guys in Africa speak english and have internet, guess we can comment on stuff too! YEAH
Travis
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K_one, you might want to look into the product that DARKPHREAK was using first before implying that he is using something similar to the Marc Weis products. These probiotic nutrient control methods are pretty much in a league of their own. They are not just one bottle, but a combination of several different components that are dosed separately to make up the system. The PolypLabs System Reef-fresh and the Prodibio line are fairly new products to the market that are modeled after the ZEOvit line that has been around for several years. Take a look at some ZEOvit tanks or have a look at Iwan's tank that is run on a hybrid of Prodibio/ZEO products and it may change your outlook on these products. The driving factor behind these probiotic methods is that they introduce strains of bacteria to the tank that are not present because they have been outcompeted by other strains. This diversifies the bacterial populations and allows for more efficient/complete nutrient reduction. Another component of these products is a carbon source that helps feed all of the strains of bacteria, including the newly introduced ones so that they do not become extinct due to be outcompeted. I don't think you will find these bacteria in other "tried and true methods".
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if you want to continue with the products figure which one you think is most important and save and order one at a time. it is possible nutrients are being added from the rock or food or whatever. it could be from the sudden change of not adding the stuff. I am in my 5th week and not even close to being empty on anything. I have a 265 how did you run out so fast? maybe you got trial size bottles. the last week or so I backed off everything to half since I noticed some extra algea growth. I am also using some prodibio products so the mix could be causing it.
DARKPHREAK
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I purchased most of these frags from other local reefers 2 months before dosing The System, their colors were nice to begin with as seen in the last pic of the purple monsters. During dosing the colors got alot more intense. I believe it was a shock to everything to stop dosing. The System works very well as you can see from the progress pictures.
At the time I didn't realise that it would cost so much to use the product, I have 450 gallons of total water volume so either way its going to cost me about 180$CAD every 5-6 weeks. Towards the end I 3/4 dosed, trying to get it to last longer. Id be curious to see if someone else who is also dosing The System in an SPS tank and stops, sees that same results I have. I went from having good coloration to awesome colors to wishing I hadn't started using The System.
Id certainly use the system again if the price was within reason.
At the time I didn't realise that it would cost so much to use the product, I have 450 gallons of total water volume so either way its going to cost me about 180$CAD every 5-6 weeks. Towards the end I 3/4 dosed, trying to get it to last longer. Id be curious to see if someone else who is also dosing The System in an SPS tank and stops, sees that same results I have. I went from having good coloration to awesome colors to wishing I hadn't started using The System.
Id certainly use the system again if the price was within reason.
Travis, im not 'bashing' the products, just putting my oppinion out to DARKPHREAK and maybe offering some direction towards a different approach to his tank with different products, which could be cheaper than the newer products with skyrocket prices.
Im sure these Zeovit and hybrid 'new bacteria strains' are all good, i just dont think its been around long enough for people to bash it, test it, love it, bash it, then lab test it to get results.
DARKPHREAK: You never answered my question, did you change your lights?
Just trying to do the questioning and such, as everyone does when faced with new products.
Im sure these Zeovit and hybrid 'new bacteria strains' are all good, i just dont think its been around long enough for people to bash it, test it, love it, bash it, then lab test it to get results.
DARKPHREAK: You never answered my question, did you change your lights?
Just trying to do the questioning and such, as everyone does when faced with new products.
DARKPHREAK
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Sorry I missed that KOne. The XM 10k's are only about 6 months old. If the pictures look different, blame my photography skills. 
Travis
10 and over club
No problem.
I know ZEOvit has been around for several years now. Not sure exactly how long but I know Alexander Girz's tank has been on ZEO for 5.5 years now. Apparently, that is long enough to somewhat prove itself as the prodibio and polyplabs companies are now copying the system and trying to gain similar results. The problem is, the ZEO system has not only proven to be successful but has proven to be very dangerous in just as many tanks. So this needs also to be taken into consideration with Prodibio and PolypLabs. Some people have tried to test some of the ZEO stuff and were immediately threatened with lawsuits from Thomas Pohl. But I'm guessing Prodibio and PolypLabs did some independent testing in "private" and then came up with their own recipes. It would be nice if a lab could analyze some of these products and post the results. It would be interesting to see what is in them and find out just how much they are overcharging for their products.
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