Deltec vs Octopus?
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clkwrk
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What are your goals for nutrient export? You could always get the g-3 recirc and that would .
My g3 and 82 will be going over to my 180 soon.
I know a buddy down the way that has a g3 on his 300g and his tank is doing awsome . Although he isn't running BB and a nutrient poor enviroment . He has a mixed tank with the only sps being monit caps which are fully colored . He also has 4 large tangs and 2 wanna be angles which are large not to mention other fish .
All comes down to the system you are running IMO.
My g3 and 82 will be going over to my 180 soon.
I know a buddy down the way that has a g3 on his 300g and his tank is doing awsome . Although he isn't running BB and a nutrient poor enviroment . He has a mixed tank with the only sps being monit caps which are fully colored . He also has 4 large tangs and 2 wanna be angles which are large not to mention other fish .
All comes down to the system you are running IMO.
clkwrk
Active member
also if you are looking for an external skimmer that won't leak then the options are slim. My g3 however doesnt leak at the cup seal , However my er does leak around the union as it has because it has become a pain to tighten and loosen.
Does't the octopus use the same old type unions that er use to use but no longer uses? Why ?Cause they are a pain and are prone to leak.
That was one of my design issues with the octopus . I wouldn't buy another old er because of the union design and it would hold me back from the octopus.
Does't the octopus use the same old type unions that er use to use but no longer uses? Why ?Cause they are a pain and are prone to leak.
That was one of my design issues with the octopus . I wouldn't buy another old er because of the union design and it would hold me back from the octopus.
HappyReefer2
In Memoriam
I just recently sold an recirc ASM G3 with gate valve & drain valve mods. Yes, they do leak. All the connections to the cylinder are NOT waterproof fittings, just tight enough to hold in place. Also, the O-Rings are on the thin side, so the connections on the cylinder leak as well and need silicone grease to keep them from leaking. Definitely cannot use as an external skimmer. Your best bet is H&S A150-F2001 or Deltec APF600 for you 180g. Just ask anyone who has these model and what can of skimmate they get out of them... pretty awesome photos out there of these power horse skimmers.
As for skimmers with the Union aroung the collection cup, lots of member complain about how much hassle it is to remove twice a week to empty the collection cup to clean.
As for skimmers with the Union aroung the collection cup, lots of member complain about how much hassle it is to remove twice a week to empty the collection cup to clean.
franklinbeens
Premium Member
so the consensus is spend $800.00+ for a decent external needlewheel~pinwheel skimmer for 180 + gals
boy, those beckett driven skimmers sure looks good just about now.
boy, those beckett driven skimmers sure looks good just about now.
Alaskan Reefer
New member
The union on my Euroreef CS-180 is a breeze to operate and only requires 1/4" of height above it to remove. The neck comes off with the collection cup so it's very simple to deal with in one quick step. $625 at Marine Depot, and yes it pulls very nicely. If I were using a skimmer externally (I'm not, personally), I'd choose Euroreef over ASM.
I have heard that the old Euroreef unions stunk, and just wanted to throw out there that the new version is very slick.
I have heard that the old Euroreef unions stunk, and just wanted to throw out there that the new version is very slick.
nikonosis
New member
maybe i can find a used euro180... but then again can someone tell me why anyone would get this http://www.marinedepot.com/md_viewItem.asp?idproduct=ER1615
when they could get this?
http://www.finsreef.com/product.php?productid=16142&cat=0&page=1&featured
when they could get this?
http://www.finsreef.com/product.php?productid=16142&cat=0&page=1&featured
You MIGHT have a second thought about picking up an ER skimmer after you read this thread
http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=767759
And this is not the first thread I have seen about how horrible ER is to work with especially when trying to get a new part.
D.
http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=767759
And this is not the first thread I have seen about how horrible ER is to work with especially when trying to get a new part.
D.
jman77
New member
I've had an Deltec AP600 on my 58g for about 3 + months and and really happy with their product. Do i think i paid too much for it.... not really. I look at it this way, I can run the slimmer outside the sump if i want too, the pump on the skimmer uses like 18 watts or something like that, and i haven't had to do a darn thing since i set it up besides clean the cup and run some fresh water through the air intact of the pump. The skimmer is really set it and forget it. It pulls the nastest black crud out of the water with only 2 little fish in about 80 gallons of water.
Skimmer efficacy
Skimmer efficacy
This thread caught my attention, but to be honest, did not read the whole post. I find it interesting that we will pay good money for a skimmer, without knowing the efficacy spec/scientific facts. How do we measure this perceived efficacy/performance of one skimmer versus another. At least when one buys a Porche you know the 0-60 specs. I wonder if consumer reports would be interested in testing skimmers.
Skimmer efficacy
This thread caught my attention, but to be honest, did not read the whole post. I find it interesting that we will pay good money for a skimmer, without knowing the efficacy spec/scientific facts. How do we measure this perceived efficacy/performance of one skimmer versus another. At least when one buys a Porche you know the 0-60 specs. I wonder if consumer reports would be interested in testing skimmers.
Skimmer efficacy
Skimmer efficacy
What are the parameters that you would test and which ones are associated with better performance. I know that Richard Harker did some tests a while back, and as I recall he measured bubble size and organic content of the skimmate. Also, as I remember the color of the skimmate can be deceiving as to the organic content.
Skimmer efficacy
What are the parameters that you would test and which ones are associated with better performance. I know that Richard Harker did some tests a while back, and as I recall he measured bubble size and organic content of the skimmate. Also, as I remember the color of the skimmate can be deceiving as to the organic content.
Skimmer
Skimmer
You should be ok with an ASM. I will caution to handle those skimmers with care they use thinner acrylic and can break easier. I dropped my skimmer cup and broke it. As far as the higher priced skimmers, they do use higher quality acrylic and parts, but will this improve efficacy? Have not seen the data. I will say that I built an ugly huge DIY needle wheel skimmer (12" tube with 3 sedra 5000) on my 525 and have had no algae problems and pulls out what appears to be good skimmate.
Skimmer
You should be ok with an ASM. I will caution to handle those skimmers with care they use thinner acrylic and can break easier. I dropped my skimmer cup and broke it. As far as the higher priced skimmers, they do use higher quality acrylic and parts, but will this improve efficacy? Have not seen the data. I will say that I built an ugly huge DIY needle wheel skimmer (12" tube with 3 sedra 5000) on my 525 and have had no algae problems and pulls out what appears to be good skimmate.
Re: Skimmer efficacy
Re: Skimmer efficacy
Some important parameters I think to judge a skimmer's performance
1. Bubble size and quantity
2. Oragnic content I think can be tested with an ORP monitor or meter.
3. An air meter would also be useful to compare how much air is being sucked in by one skimmer versus another.
4. How quiet or noisy is one pump from another.
5. Any heat transfer
6. How much power is used to run said skimmer.
This test should be done on un-modded skimmers IMO
Re: Skimmer efficacy
Some important parameters I think to judge a skimmer's performance
1. Bubble size and quantity
2. Oragnic content I think can be tested with an ORP monitor or meter.
3. An air meter would also be useful to compare how much air is being sucked in by one skimmer versus another.
4. How quiet or noisy is one pump from another.
5. Any heat transfer
6. How much power is used to run said skimmer.
This test should be done on un-modded skimmers IMO
Alaskan Reefer
New member
Euroreef service has been good to me so far -- answering my questions in less than 12 hours, both on the board here and via email. As we all know, 1 unhappy reefer who spent $500+ on a skimmer will scream louder than 100 happy ones will sing the praise. I'd be cautious about using a skimmer (ASM) that is universally (well, almost) known to be a leaker in an exterior application -- but if you have space in the sump it's a good choice for the money.
Alaskan Reefer
New member
I don't get the comparison between the Litermeter III link and the H&K skimmer link. 
And why would one buy a Litermeter III over a Tunze Osmolator (never had one) or a simple used peristaltic hospital pump (I've had one)? Well, it's known to be of very high quality (reliable) and it's expandable -- whenever I get around to it my Litermeter III is going to do all my water changes for me...
Same discussion -- buy what does what you want it to do, even if that is saving you money for a pack of smokes.
And why would one buy a Litermeter III over a Tunze Osmolator (never had one) or a simple used peristaltic hospital pump (I've had one)? Well, it's known to be of very high quality (reliable) and it's expandable -- whenever I get around to it my Litermeter III is going to do all my water changes for me...
Same discussion -- buy what does what you want it to do, even if that is saving you money for a pack of smokes.
Skimmer efficacy
Skimmer efficacy
I think that would be a start, but my guess is that one would want to know organic removal per unit of time. This would allow the consumer to compare the efficacy of skimmers and then compare, cost quality, noice, compactness, watts, ect.... When you buy and air conditioner you know the BTUs and SEER rating, but with skimmers we can only speculate about the efficacy by the tank size rating.
Skimmer efficacy
I think that would be a start, but my guess is that one would want to know organic removal per unit of time. This would allow the consumer to compare the efficacy of skimmers and then compare, cost quality, noice, compactness, watts, ect.... When you buy and air conditioner you know the BTUs and SEER rating, but with skimmers we can only speculate about the efficacy by the tank size rating.
tacocat
Premium Member
Yup, I bought an ASM G-3. I sold it without using it. The build quality ws poor. Build quality matters very little until it breaks. An ASM is subject to catastrophic destruction if dropped. A cast acrylic skimmer would probably just crack.
I'm not crazy about the idea of having my skimmer down for a few day/weeks if I accidently dropped the skimmer cup during routine cleaning.
I always wondered:
If ASM knows how to recirc their skimmers and it is a good mod, then why don't they sell them manufactured as recirculating skimmers to begin with?
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