Deltec vs Octopus?

[arconom]

Maybe the Chinese Manufactures should see my Skimmer and use it as the Model. I don't think there using Deltecs as there model for a copy. I think they might be using more like a Prism for there cloning needs.

This is set for very wet. I run a BB tank with just SPS no fish.

 

[sherm71tank]

A pic of dry skimmate would impress? Hasn't that been discussed enough? I believe most agree it is better to skim wet.

 

[sherm71tank]

That is very nice. Time will tell whether these new skimmers will make the cut.

 

[s10willy]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6689938#post6689938 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by sherm71tank
A pic of dry skimmate would impress? Hasn't that been discussed enough? I believe most agree it is better to skim wet.

No, dry skimmate would not impress, unless it showed that the skimmer is pulling out more "gunk" than that. My $100 Coralife Super Skimmer pulled darker skimmate than that - skimming wet. So like I said - I'm not impressed. The design may be copied, but obviously the performance is not. Thanks for providing the picture as proof.

 

[sherm71tank]

That is funny. I run a very clean system my friend and the Coralife Super Skimmer 220 I purchased generated NO skimmate when ran beside my Modded Jebo 520. It is easy to jump to conclusions isn't it?

 

[sjm817]

What the heck. I'll throw in some AP600 Nog too....

 

[sherm71tank]

Another very nice shot! Hopefully after a few more of us have the Octopus skimmers we can have some pics of them running as well.

 

[s10willy]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6690056#post6690056 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by sherm71tank
That is funny. I run a very clean system my friend and the Coralife Super Skimmer 220 I purchased generated NO skimmate when ran beside my Modded Jebo 520. It is easy to jump to conclusions isn't it?

And just think, by the time you bought the Jebo, modded it, then the CSS 220, then the Octopus, you could have gotten a Deltec. Should I conclude how clean your system would be then?

 

[dhnguyen]

well.... That's really not saying much really. My cheap JEBO180 pulls out skimmate like the Deltec photos every couple days. What does that mean? Should companies use the JEBO skimmer as a knockoff model?

:lol:



c'mon Someone post some photos of the needlewheel version for the Octopus already.

 

[DeltecRules]

LOL ill show some nog from my deltec mce600 hang on again..LOL

5 days dry mud from 55 gallon fish only, cooked live rock

1 day wet skim

 

[sherm71tank]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6690110#post6690110 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by s10willy
And just think, by the time you bought the Jebo, modded it, then the CSS 220, then the Octopus, you could have gotten a Deltec. Should I conclude how clean your system would be then?

Umm. . . No I couldn't. You think I just throw them away? I agree Deltec makes great skimmers. But to assume just because it costs more means it must be better is just silly. Don't be so defensive jeez! We are just trying to find a great skimmer without spending so much. Just because you did it doesn't make it the only way to go.

I would also like to see some Octopus NW pics.

 

[s10willy]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6690253#post6690253 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by sherm71tank
But to assume just because it costs more means it must be better is just silly. ....We are just trying to find a great skimmer without spending so much.

No assumptions that the Deltec is better. The pictures have already proven it. Hasn't that been discussed already?

I never said that the Octopus was not a great skimmer. I said I was not impressed with the skimmate you provided a picture of. I wish I were. I would love to spend half the money to get the same performance, reliability, customer service, etc. That's why I am posting in this thread, not the New Reef Octopus thread. This thread is about comparing the Octopus to the Deltec. Again, the pictures speak for themselves.

 

[s10willy]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6690125#post6690125 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by dhnguyen
well.... That's really not saying much really. My cheap JEBO180 pulls out skimmate like the Deltec photos every couple days. What does that mean?

That means it would be a good topic in another thread - Jebo vs. Deltec. In this thread, it's off-topic.

 

[mashrie]

Here are some pics of the recirculating in action.
The skimmate is set to produce a wet foam, which is hoplessly wrong considering it's only running for an 1.5 hours. It should be set lower down on the neck to build up the dirt on the skimmer neck and lift the level slowly.Hence removing dirt and not just water. Im gonna take some pics with the skimmate set for a dry foam. Its a pretty good unit. The pump has a three layer needlewheel pump. I reckon it pulls in about 450L to 500L of air. Pretty good but this skimmer is inline with the Deltec AP850 which pulls in 600L water. Not a big difference but the body i think is 310mm wide. The eheim uses the pinwheel impeller which definitley is the key to pulling in so much air. But just not air it moves the water pretty well too!!! Simple physics! Dont compare the octopus to the deltec YET. Please look at my last word of the last sentence. Deltec has been around for a long time, so i think octopus is doing pretty darn well.

 

[Tony B (UK)]

What this situation lacks is some real comparison, just thought I'd post this:

Have a look at this email I got from one of the guys off ultimate reef, he's done a test between a Deltec 703 Skimmer and an AquaMedic 5000 Twin.

This guy has a fairly large system and quite simply used just one skimmer at a time, then swapped from the AM to the Deltec. He repeated the test again to see if results we similar and, they were. I believe all variables (stock level, feeding, water etc) were kept as constant as is reasonably possible.

Interesting!


Hi Tony,
Just analysed the results of the two skimmers.
I have done this twice now to ensure that the skimmers were at their optimum performance.

AM 5000 Twin Test 1: 632ml
Deltec AP703 Test 1: 905ml
Am 5000 Twin Test 2: 640ml
Deltec AP703 Test 2: 907ml

I had the skimate checked at work - the Deltec AP703 skimate allowed 20% less light through than compared to the AP 5000. The results were averaged for over the two tests.

The AP703 skimate weighed just over 1.5% more than the AM 5000 - this is because there was more particulate in the Deltec skimate. The results were averaged for over the two tests.

So overall, you can see that
(1) the Deltec skimmer is some 50 better in the amount of skimate it collects
(2) There are more solids in the Deltec skimate (by some 1.5%). I think this because the amount of air the skimmer pulls in and
(3) the Deltec skimate is darker by 20%.


Finally, using the AM 5000 as the reference, one can summarise:
AM 5000 - 636ml Light = 0% Solids = 0%
Deltec AP703 - 906ml Light = -20% Solids =+1.5%

All in all the Deltec skimmer is much better, I think.

I would love to carry out a few more tests - but am short of time at present. Mighet get some more done in the summer - if that helps.
I am about to plumbe in the AP1006 soon.

I hope this helps.

Regards

------------------------Message Ends-----------------------------

Tony B

 

[2002sod]

I have to chime in here with some comments
Of mine OWN PERSONAL VEIW

I just purchased a Octopus down draft skimmer from
Custom Aquatics ââ"šÂ¬Ã‚¦.
And I must say that they have a GREAT support team

Todd is the best and bends over backwards to make sure
Your purchase is problem FREE
I had some shipping problems He Todd made sure that they where corrected.

He also showed concern for the Quality of the product and to call and let him
Know if I was satisfied with my purchaseââ"šÂ¬Ã‚¦

I also had call Dave at Coral Vue for some support issues with the skimmer
He was very informative and helpful .
He also had the correct answer to my problem

SO TO SAY THERE IS NO SUPPORT FOR CORAL VUE OCTOPUS IS
IN MY OPINION NOT TRUE

SOD

 

[Fliger]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6692576#post6692576 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by mashrie
I reckon it pulls in about 450L to 500L of air. Pretty good but this skimmer is inline with the Deltec AP850 which pulls in 600L

Actually here in the states the 851 pulls in 900LPH. The bubbles are MUCH more fine and consistant than the pix above. I'm not getting into this debate AT ALL, just stating what I know.

I'm sure the octopus is good, but IMO it should be compared more to a ER or ASM with Sedras. Totally different ballpark.

 

[dhnguyen]

Agreed. This thread was pretty much doomed from the start by the title. IMO the ReefOctopus could only be fairly compared against a comparable ASM or ER.

D.

 

[2002sod]

hi dhnguyen
yes
but I must say that this has been one of the most peaceful well
behaved threads around for a while ...
WHICH MADE IT very nice to read and may have
help some folks out with its info and comments from members like you and ,Fliger,mashrie,sherm71tank,sjm817 etc
and the rest of the members who posted and
who put the time and effort into posting without being
rude

just my 3 cents
sod

 

[DeltecRules]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6692576#post6692576 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by mashrie
Here are some pics of the recirculating in action.
The skimmate is set to produce a wet foam, which is hoplessly wrong considering it's only running for an 1.5 hours. It should be set lower down on the neck to build up the dirt on the skimmer neck and lift the level slowly.Hence removing dirt and not just water. Im gonna take some pics with the skimmate set for a dry foam. Its a pretty good unit. The pump has a three layer needlewheel pump. I reckon it pulls in about 450L to 500L of air. Pretty good but this skimmer is inline with the Deltec AP850 which pulls in 600L water. Not a big difference but the body i think is 310mm wide. The eheim uses the pinwheel impeller which definitley is the key to pulling in so much air. But just not air it moves the water pretty well too!!! Simple physics! Dont compare the octopus to the deltec YET. Please look at my last word of the last sentence. Deltec has been around for a long time, so i think octopus is doing pretty darn well.

The deltec 851 which you are comparing the octopus too pulls 900 LPH not 600.