Deltec vs Octopus?

[Fliger]

Pictures won't tell a thing on different tanks. Even if you have them side-by-side on the same tank, they need tweaking to get them right. Remember the infamous Bubble King that wouldn't perform in the "skim-off" at o2manyfish's skim-off? Well here it is after just a few days of operation, now that it is tuned. Exact same skimmer.

I like car comparisons. IROC's go as fast as some Porsches, but I'd never own an IROC. I like some of the touches on better built cars as well. On acceleration - when I replaced my A200 with an A300, it didn't skim any "better" - just a little faster. It took the same stuff out, but it might have taken 2 hours instead of three. My current car does 0-60 in under six seconds. I hardly EVER break the speed limit around town, but I do get TO the speed limit a lot faster. :lol:

 

[nikonosis]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6747939#post6747939 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Fliger
Pictures won't tell a thing on different tanks. Even if you have them side-by-side on the same tank, they need tweaking to get them right. Remember the infamous Bubble King that wouldn't perform in the "skim-off" at o2manyfish's skim-off? Well here it is after just a few days of operation, now that it is tuned. Exact same skimmer.

I like car comparisons. IROC's go as fast as some Porsches, but I'd never own an IROC. I like some of the touches on better built cars as well. On acceleration - when I replaced my A200 with an A300, it didn't skim any "better" - just a little faster. It took the same stuff out, but it might have taken 2 hours instead of three. My current car does 0-60 in under six seconds. I hardly EVER break the speed limit around town, but I do get TO the speed limit a lot faster. :lol:

I got a ticket a couple years ago for accelerating to the speed limit to fast.

 

[dhnguyen]

aww geez Fliger. I was eating my lunch when I saw what you posted. Stranegly I'm not hungry anymore :lol:

 

[Fliger]

dh, I totally forgot about the other thing I was talking to you about. Ill shoot you a note when I get back this weekend. BTW, here is something to wash your lunch down with :lol: .....

 

[dhnguyen]

That's disgusting Fliger. And I was drinking green tea too :lol:

 

[manderx]

what kind of tank is that BK sitting in? with water that yellow i'd expect anything to make that kind of skim.

 

[Julio]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6739146#post6739146 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Sicklid
Why don't you guys get a real skimmer?

Now that's waht i am talking about!!
how much is that thing 12K?

 

[nikonosis]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6749153#post6749153 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Julio
Now that's waht i am talking about!!
how much is that thing 12K?

12k? HAHAHAHAHAHA, there are deltecs that go for over $6000. If you go by deltec pricing, that thing is 500k!

 

[Fliger]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6748803#post6748803 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by manderx
what kind of tank is that BK sitting in? with water that yellow i'd expect anything to make that kind of skim.

I agree, thats kinda my point why pix don't tell the whole story. I could put a Seaclown on a curing bin and have great pix. :lol: The first pic is of the skimmer from the showdown, but is now on a very large system. I stole the link from the BK thread over on the zeo website. The last two pix were from my tank, it was a BK300 Ext on a 150G that is very well maintained, all high end equipment, barebottom, very low nutrients. I sold that skimmer and someone else is using it now - I think he's having a couple a couple issues getting it to run perfect. It was my 5th or 6th external recirc NW so it didn't take me any time at all.

Set-up is also so important. Running an inferior skimmer fed via the sump might get you better results than running a superior skimmer in the sump if you're recirculating your sump water. Bioload is huge, I've seen pix of Deltecs, H&S and BK's that have lots of fish and skimmate is sludge, and I've seen of all three brands with tea-colored skimmate cuz they have less fish.

This was my skimmer/sump set-up on my 150G

 

[bernie lyons]

deltec moded pumps

deltec moded pumps

"enquiry minds want to know"- exactly what does deltec modify to the eheim and aquabee pumps ?
bernie lyons

 

[clkwrk]

I again checked out the previous octupus skimmer again today and I can say I am still not impressed. Nothing like a skimmer that's half full of bubbles unlike my asm's or euro reefs. It had okay skimate but not what you would think it should be for being on a extra large rock curing setup.

Maybe they would perform better if the air was dialed back . That way bubbles fill the chamber more for better contact time and bubble hang time.

JMOberservation

 

[nikonosis]

I posted this in another thread and im posting it here because I think its truely funny...

Everyone keeps telling these lies on RC. They keep saying deltec modifys their pump (which not a single person has proved yet). They keep saying h&s and deltec use $500+ pumps which is bullcrap! Here is the eheim 1260 needlewheel that h&s uses (which is the same exact pump deltec uses), its $299 http://www.finsreef.com/product.php...&cat=284&page=2
Everyone wants to use the pumps as an excuse as to why deltecs cost $1000s compared to anyone else. A sedra 9000 is right around $100, so the the deltec/h&s pumps are $200 more but their skimmers cost $800-$1000 more than something like an asm. Now everyone will say deltec and h&s have better build quailty, better customer service, and they have been around for ever. Should that honesly make them that much more? If thats the case no one should've ever started using AMD for their computer cpu's because Intel has been around forever, built better quality cpus, and had better service than anyone. Does that mean that intel cpus should've cost $1000 more than a comparable AMD? Can someone honestly tell me why a deltec skimmer costs more than a computer? I know thats not the point but think of all the R&D thats put into computers, how long they have been around, and how great the customer service is with alot of them. Think of how much more complicate it is to make a cpu than a skimmer. If you really think about it, its hilarious!

LET THE FLAMING BEGIN!

 

[nikonosis]

best thread ever
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=778117

 

[nikonosis]

That was supposed to say Everyone keeps telling these lies on RC about the price of those pumps being over $500+. Not about deltec moding their pumps.

 

[old salty]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6753637#post6753637 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by nikonosis
I posted this in another thread and im posting it here because I think its truely funny...

Everyone keeps telling these lies on RC. They keep saying deltec modifys their pump (which not a single person has proved yet).

LET THE FLAMING BEGIN!

Can you prove that Deltec doesn't modify them??? If so, I bet you can blow this entire Deltec scam right out of the water (so to speak). They should be going out of business, and liquidate all of their assets to pay all the people they have scammed over the last 20 years (though try as you may, you really haven't found any unhappy Deltec users have you??). You will be a hero to the reefing community and send a message to all other manufacturers.[end sarcasm]

Giving wrong information is very different that giving information that is known to be wrong.

 

[tigerarmy40]

theres no dought that deltec are overpriced but I guess you know you are getting top quality and yoiu know that it will do its job and you know that if something goes wrong you can speek to someone! it really just comes down to weather or not someone is willing to pay for all that or not!?!? Im not...although I would like to be able to its just too expensive!

 

[tacocat]

In my garage resides a very famous skimmer. It's an old AP703 that was brought in from Germany prior to Deltec being sold in the US directly. It belongs to a friend, and I was tinkering with it awhile back with Doug's help. I believe the last person to publicly own it was NAGA. It caused quite a stir on RC a few years ago.

The skimmer came here with European voltage pumps. Well, the person who brought it over swapped standard Eheim pumps and used the Deltec needlewheels. The needlewheels impellors are almost worn through.

The needlewheel impellors will fit in a standard Eheim pump, but they will not run properly and will wear through if run on a standard Eheim pump. BTW, I know how Deltec pumps are different than standard Eheim pumps. Conceptionally, it's simple, but makes complete sense.

Yes, the needlewheel impellors in the US models are different than the European impellors, but only in needles themselves. Eheim's standard impellors are interchangeable regardless of voltage.

 

[tacocat]

Think of how much more complicate it is to make a cpu than a skimmer. If you really think about it, its hilarious!

How many CPUs are sold a month versus how many Deltecs are sold a month.

A group of people got together formed a company and starts to design and manufacture premium products that have premium performance. They realize that their product isn't for everybody, and that their competitors also make good products, but they would still like to market to those consumers that are seeking premium performance.

In order to generate suitable revenue they decide to charge a premium price for their products and offer good customer support.

It isn't that hard to understand.

It's very similar to the high-end audio industry. It isn't for everybody, and for most people it isn't necessary, but there are some people who enjoy it and are willing to shell out serious money for it. What's wrong with that?

Until the owners of Deltec start popping up on the Robb Report, Fortune magazine or Road & Track, I won't worry about their marketing strategies.

 

[Alaskan Reefer]

Just buy your ASM, and be happy that it's "just as good" as my Euroreef CS-180. Meanwhile, I'm going to buy a Deltec AP701 soon, just to see how it works because it interests me. Do I need it? No. Might buying yet another "overpriced" skimmer that's way more than I need for my single 125 gallon lightly stocked tank be a waste of money? Sure. Do I care? No.

Just like anyone who owns a Ferrari, I'll do it...

...because I can.

Enjoy your ASM.

 

[dhnguyen]

Alaskan Reefer

Feel free to send me your old skimmers