Dendro's legal?

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MorandiWine

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Hi everyone, I dont mean to start something here but I have a serious question.

Are Denro's legal to import??

I have been importing corals for a very long time and I have NEVER seen Dedro's on the CITEs list. No CITEs no ship ... right? Doing a little bit more questioning, I called three of the major importers in LA and they all kinda skirted around the issue.

So can someone who 100% knows for sure set me straight!?

thanks

tyler
 
Well I bought some from Sea Schor here in Buffalo Grove IL. He imports directly from Australia himself. About 4-6 weeks ago he had about 18 colonies/clumps of them. Based on that I would have to believe they are legal. The same question seems to directed towards Rhizo's.

I also have a friend who works at a LFS and does the ordering and I inquired about Dendro's. In the end he is able to get them but he's not sure if they would sell since the were $20 a head wholesale.
 
perhaps im mistaken but im pretty sure you have it backwards. If a species is not on the cites list than it should be legal to import.
 
I was told by my shipper and USFWS that CITEs will publish what species are allowed to ship with the species being listed on the allowable CITEs list. The permits do vary from country to country and is not a blanket permit. It will tell you specific names, common name and total allowed for that permit period. I order off of what is on the list and usually everything arrives. But still no Denrdo's, even from places like Bali and Jakarta who are consolidating areas (they get corals from all over).

Tyler
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15549099#post15549099 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by mr pink floyd
dendros ARE legal to bring in.

rhizos are NOT legal
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interesting.
Price of those just went up, eh? :rollface:
 
It could be that they are not legal in California only. I know certain states have harder import laws. like florida has a limit on the amount of mushrooms specifically ricordia species that can be collected by one harvester. so that could be your issue.
 
I get them in but have been told by a couple of wholesalers that they are legal,and others that say they are not legal. One of my transhippers said they are shipped as sun corals(Tubastria) or shipped under other corals species names.That same transhipper told me that is how Rhizos get here to?
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15549099#post15549099 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by mr pink floyd
dendros ARE legal to bring in.

rhizos are NOT legal
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Are you sure Rhizo's are not legal?? I got mine from Aquarium Adventure of all places and they are sold on Ebay as well. These corals may be hard to get but are WELL worth it. :) The dendros are just great looking.
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15550911#post15550911 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by oddballs
I get them in but have been told by a couple of wholesalers that they are legal,and others that say they are not legal. One of my transhippers said they are shipped as sun corals(Tubastria) or shipped under other corals species names.That same transhipper told me that is how Rhizos get here to?
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So they are smuggled in.
 
What or why would one type of coral be considered illiegal compared to another. I could see if there was a threat to the wild population of that particular coral or if that coral may be considered a invasive species but I wouldn't think dendo's or rhizo's would fall into that category.

Seems too easy to just say I have a box full of say duncan's polyps but in reality I have a box of dendro's. At the same time though you can't expect every single box to be inspected and then the contents to be verified by someone who actually knew what they were looking at.
 
Dendro's are only "legal" from Australia Tyler. The rest are "CITES washed" or have the wrong name attached (smuggled). All Rhizos are illegal, none come from Australia (IIRC).

Goofyreefer it's tactics like that that will shut the trade down and we're in the cross hairs as I type this!!! Any US F&WS field agent is considered "someone in the know". They try to inspect every box. Mine used to get hit about 90% of the time and I welcomed all inspections as I was 100% legal.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15551308#post15551308 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by goofyreefer
What or why would one type of coral be considered illiegal compared to another. I could see if there was a threat to the wild population of that particular coral or if that coral may be considered a invasive species but I wouldn't think dendo's or rhizo's would fall into that category.
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They do fall under that catagory. Rhizos are not exactly a fast growing animal, don't exist in major numbers and could be considered an invasive species as they could live on both coasts of the US. Dendros are invasive, just like tubestrea is a major invasive species.

Furthermore those are not the only things that dictates why a coral is not listed as CITES II.

All stony corals and live rock are CITES II. If they are not listed, they can not be shipped to other member nations.
 
How could a person/store sell a illegal coral on Ebay? That would seem a pretty easy place to stop it. Would you consider the coral(s) invasive because they aren't naturally occuring there? I mean I can see Rhizo's POSSIBLY protected since they APPEAR to be slow growing. I say that since it seems like little in known about them. I wouldn't call then invasive just because that they do seem to be slow growers and they are in a fixed location. Wouldn't ANY coral or animal for that matter fall into the invasive category if it is imported?
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15552123#post15552123 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by goofyreefer
How could a person/store sell a illegal coral on Ebay? That would seem a pretty easy place to stop it. Would you consider the coral(s) invasive because they aren't naturally occuring there? I mean I can see Rhizo's POSSIBLY protected since they APPEAR to be slow growing. I say that since it seems like little in known about them. I wouldn't call then invasive just because that they do seem to be slow growers and they are in a fixed location. Wouldn't ANY coral or animal for that matter fall into the invasive category if it is imported?
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Yup, nearly everything in our trade could be (is) considered invasive and as such just the very reason why the trade is in the cross hair of major regulation. Every little smuggler that does the nasty deed is just urging the government to clamp down. Every reefer should do their part to eradicate such parasites!@!

There is no "appearing" of them being slow growers, talk to people in the know and they'll tell you as much. Reefers may not know much, but there are people that do know a decent bit about them (since that area of the reef has been a hot topic for a while now). That very fact is a big part in why there is no quotas for them.

You'd think everything in life would be kosher and the government could find it all, but it's just not so. Plenty of scams occur every day. Look at Bernie Madoff and his multi-billion dollar ponzi scheme, or Enron, etc. All that was fairly in the open and had people even questioning it, yet it continued.
 
If I can buy it in a legal manor i.e. a store or internet, I see nothing wrong with purchasing one. If they really are illegal someone isn't doing their job.
 
Scleractinia.spp cover all LPS and SPS, as long as you have a permit/cites along with the corals, i dont see why they will be illegal.
 
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