E-A-G-L-E-S
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More dispersed? Do seio's overate their flow capabilities, or Tunze underate?
Difference between Seio 1500's 1500gph and Tunze 6060's 1585gph?
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E-A-G-L-E-S
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anyone use both or in the past used seio's and went to tunze's?
robsmith32
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don't know about the 1500 seio, but my 620's, i can run the 3 of them together and doesn't do what my 6060 does.
NOw I have 2 6060's and 3x 620's..
I wouldnt' buy anything but the 620 seios from them because 3 of them are less wattage 24w, than one 1500 34 watts, considerably more flow, plus diffused out therefore more turbulent.
I dont' understand, why seio's don't scale on their wattage/flow.
on that the tunze 6060 is 11 watts, the seio 1500 is 34 watts.. 3 times the usage.
NOw I have 2 6060's and 3x 620's..
I wouldnt' buy anything but the 620 seios from them because 3 of them are less wattage 24w, than one 1500 34 watts, considerably more flow, plus diffused out therefore more turbulent.
I dont' understand, why seio's don't scale on their wattage/flow.
on that the tunze 6060 is 11 watts, the seio 1500 is 34 watts.. 3 times the usage.
E-A-G-L-E-S
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thanks alot! That's exactly what i was hoping to hear
clsanchez77
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Manufacturer that stands behind the product is the biggest difference IMO, would you prefer to give your money to Tunze or TAAM. Tunze is more expensive, but given the choice, i will pay more.
clsanchez77
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For its cheap price, maybe not a bad idea :lol:
causeofhim
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You cannot put either on a wavemaker.
Not knocking Tunze by any means, but TAAM has always stood behind their product with me. They sent me a replacement impellar form my M820 with no questions asked. I think TAAM has gotten a undeserved rep by people that don't take the time to actually check. The owner of TAAM is very eager to help out and they take care of problems if you take the time to let them know, at least IME.
clsanchez77
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I absolutely disagree, they definitley deserve the rep. they have...they worked hard at it
They have a shady past and there is no denying, just search the board for 'rio.' I have had 2 or 3 of the small powerheads break in my tank, one release oil, two just froze and overheated the tank. I have also been shocked. I had a larger one fail in my return when I setup my first sump. Many people have had no luck in dealing with TAAM directly so I never bothered. I went to Maxi-jet and Mag and moved on.
Fastfoward 10 years or so...
They have re-engineered a new stream style powerhead called the Seio. I am glad for them. I have spoken with Kevin (I believe) via email and everything he has told me indicates its a new and better product and will not have any of the problems in the past...that is factastic. Then you search the boards here and look at all the people having problems with startup and impellers. I have heard there customer service has come full circle and I believe it after emailing with Kevin, but the product is still questionable. I dont want a product that I have to beat on the aquarium wall or stick my finger in the hole and startup like a WWI war plane.
I'm not saying Tunze is perfect. Search for it, I know of at least 2 current threads with problems. Both cases they cite excellent service from Tunze. Tunze is also a sponsor and Roger is an active participant on the board.
Seio, search and many people have startup and locking problems, where is TAAM on the board, they aren't. Kevin told me he was a member and pointed me to some 'Seio Club' threads, I asked him twice who he was and he would not reply.
Given a choice between two manufactures that have good customer service, but one has a far more reliable product and the other has a questionably reliable product, I'm going with the product least likely to break....Call it odd, but I also use an Apple computer and will be buying a Toyota truck (my fiance has a Highlander...Im sold to the brand). Customer service is a small but significant part of the decision, product reliability should be the bigger factor.
Having said all this $$$ is also a factor, I would recommend a Seio to anyone who isn't willing or can't put out $$$ for the Tunze, but then again, I am getting a wavebox and two 6060's and still spending less on circulation than I am on lighting and current discussion amongst the 'experts' is the circulation is more important and understressed by hobbyists.
I am now convinced that the days of old style powerheads in aquariums is obsolete and these are the two we have to choose from...for now.
Chris
clsanchez77
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I stand partially corrected, currently TAAM stands behind their product. Their past is questionable and is one of two reasons I am willing to purchase their product.
clsanchez77
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Tunze has a controller and TAAM has one in production, in speaking with Kevin, it was already moving to production (protope or mass?) and would in retailers this season. The Seio controller will work similar to the Tunze controller. Being that the pump will not be turned off for wave, night or feeding actions will prolong the life IMO...they will operate thru motor speed.
Unfortunaly, power outages and mainenance will still happen.
I think mostly everyone has moved from the school of thought of wavemakers and agrees that repetitive on/off cycles for pumps is not good for them. Maxi-jets can take it however and anyone who wants to go that route still could, it will just take 5 maxi-jets to get the flow of 1 Seio or Tunze. I suppose one could hide 15 maxijets...:lol:
Chris
Here's one thing I want to know. The SEIO pumps have been out for quite a while now. Shouldn't these startup and seizing problems be fixed by now? Sounds more like an engineering problem with the overall design to me. From everything I have read on RC about SEIO's they seem to be hit or miss.
Until they can fix all these issues, I think I'll stick with my DIY Maxijet-Stream mods instead
D.
Until they can fix all these issues, I think I'll stick with my DIY Maxijet-Stream mods instead
D.
sm fragman
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no ? about it get the tunze 6060 i just got one from premium aquatics and i will be getting another one soon ,,this thing rocks ,,i have a costum 3*2*2 tank and just the 1 is blowing everything off the bottom and over the overflow ,,i think the only thing that could compeat wiht tunze is maybe the vortech when it comes out ,,,after seeing the 6060 in motion i am very glade i did not waste my money on the seio
clsanchez77
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Prices projected on the Icecap would make Tunze cringe, but as far as I know, they are still speculated prices.
Vor-techs will be hot for the novelty, what will kill them is that the promised conponents (controlle rand backup) are not included as they were idicated they would be and cost extra. The controller wont be avail for several more months. The other crippling factor is that they are not aimable such as the streams.
Personanlly, I like Icecap prodcuts but will not be able to use these pumps as they have to make use of a magnet, my setup will not leave either side-glass exposed for magnet use and the backglass will be a major PITA to get to when these pumps have to be removed for maintenance.
My Tunze products will be hung by bracket. I do not like the use of magnets, or worse, suction cups.
Vor-techs will be hot for the novelty, what will kill them is that the promised conponents (controlle rand backup) are not included as they were idicated they would be and cost extra. The controller wont be avail for several more months. The other crippling factor is that they are not aimable such as the streams.
Personanlly, I like Icecap prodcuts but will not be able to use these pumps as they have to make use of a magnet, my setup will not leave either side-glass exposed for magnet use and the backglass will be a major PITA to get to when these pumps have to be removed for maintenance.
My Tunze products will be hung by bracket. I do not like the use of magnets, or worse, suction cups.
causeofhim
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This thread was specifically asking about the Tunze 6060. Tunze 6060 cannot be used with the controller and cannot be put on a timer to be turned on and off more than once an hour.
clsanchez77
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right, that is correct and was my oversight. 6060's or 6080's, for that matter, nor the lower numbered Sieos will not be controllable.
I will have mine off for about 8 hrs, opposite of each other. There just too expensive to switch on and off anyway.
I will have mine off for about 8 hrs, opposite of each other. There just too expensive to switch on and off anyway.
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