dino experiment

[sneeyatch]

I can't comment on the ozone use since I've never used it. I assume you have an ORP monitor and I would continue to use that. I've heard that ORP will drop but then will rise above normal for a short period of time. I don't have an ORP monitor but it would be good to track that.

As for dosing, I did it during both lights out and during lights on. It didn't seem to matter either way, but that's how I noticed the zoas closing up was with the lights on. In other words - I didn't stick to any routine - just once a day.

Some folks started it off slow at .5ml / 10 gallons which is good, if you're not 100% on it, go slow. I jumped right in there at 1ml / 10 gallons. I heard that right around days 4 or 5 is where the difference is really noticed, so don't get discouraged if it takes a little bit. I had it nasty - took about 2 weeks for me, then I siphoned out the top layer of sand as a last nail in the coffin.

If you have cyano, you will see a difference pretty quickly - just about 2 to 3 days it really starts going away.

Good luck - keep us posted.

 

[jkopp36]

Yep, I have on ORP monitor so I'll just keep an eye on things. That's good to know on the cyano. I actually have dinos in both of my tanks - 225g and 90g DT's - but only the 90g has a cyano issue right now. My plan is to only do one tank to start with then go from there. Now I just have to choose which one. I'm only running ozone on the 225g. I'm excited to see how this works and will definitely post back.

 

[turbo21]

No losses. The only thing I noticed is that zoanthids and palythoa will close up for about a half hour to an hour, but then open up just as normal. If I dumped it in right where my longspine urchin was, he would take off pretty quick, but no livestock issues at all.

I keep gorgonians, soft corals and only a very small amount of sps. Fish at the time were a tomini tang and a true perc. Now - I use the peroxide as a maintenance dose about once a week and still no dinos, no cyano, a little patch of bryopsis that I'm dealing with by other means and still no livestock issues at all.

It does work well. The only thing I would recommend would be to use a decent to strong skimmer because you will get more skimmate - similar to vodka dosing.

I really don't think all of these people using it here and on other boards would intentionally steer someone wrong. Reef Central has a reputation of being pretty dramatic and adamant about products - both good and bad and I don't think I've seen any threads about how "Peroxide crashed my tank"...

actually there was just a thread a few weeks ago about a peroxide overdose
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=18176398

bob

 

[sneeyatch]

Good God... with such a gross overdose - and for the reason of trying to control bryopsis (which it does NOT - no any other hair algae), I can see why he did. With such a math error, I bet he didn't even read up on it. 1ml / 10 gallons is pretty easy math compared to 3 capfuls to 20 gallons... sounds like he tried extra hard to get it wrong.

 

[EnderG60]

you know I was having a REALLY bad problem with dino and cyano as well. For 3 days I simply cut my feeding back to 1/3 and turned the lights off. Cyano is gone and the dino is maybe 1/5 of what it used to be.

Ill do the process again next week to see if i can kill it all together.

 

[bertoni]

Reef Central has a reputation of being pretty dramatic and adamant about products - both good and bad and I don't think I've seen any threads about how "Peroxide crashed my tank"...

I think there's some truth to that in my posts. I'm not sure what to say, though. I don't feel comfortable recommending treatments that are experimental, because some of them do turn out badly, and, after all, I have no evidence yet that they're a good idea. On the other hand, I don't want to discourage people from trying new ideas carefully, as long as they know it's a risky experiment.

 

[sneeyatch]

Bertoni -

Agreed 100%. I take great pride in not lying to anyone - even to a fault of my own and I would never intentionally steer anyone into doing something that they're not comfortable with. I've heard horror stories in the past about using peroxide in tanks - mostly due to increasing O2 in power outages, etc. A buddy of mine was dealing with dinos as well and he told me how he beat it using peroxide. I was leary about it and read up on it as much as I could before I did it and I'm very pleased and actually quite surprised in the results, to the point I really can't believe it.

Also, I'm glad to see the statement I made was taken with an open mind as it was in no way an attempt to offend anyone. Thanks for seeing point I was trying to make and not just the face value of it.

 

[t4zalews]

new skimmer works PERFECT. As you can see in the picture i set the level to break before going up the collection tube. In the collection cup opening i put in a mesh bag and then poured carbon through it to fill the rising tube. The o3 has to pass through it on its way out. and i zip tied a bag of carbon to the exit tube back to the sump. I have absolutely NO OZONE SMELL. I put my head right by the skimmer and took a whiff and nothing. Very excited...this was a good use of funds to make an ozone reactor. the skimmer pulls enough air to suck air through the ozone unit but its not overwelming. Just a nice tumble in the reactor. and the mixing chamber of the skimmer is big enough so a lot of water can be in contact with the ozone. Im very happy with this purchase.

Now more importantly...will my dino's go away now. I set my APEX to turn the ozone unit when orp drops below 350 and turn off when it hits 380. I might raise it if I dont see enough results. either that or ill turn the ozone unit up a little. its currently at 1 or 22mg/hr.

 

[t4zalews]

I tried smelling my sump area again, and smell a little ozone. Only when I put my head like in my sump area and smell.

 

[t4zalews]

i turned off the ozone...i get freaked out thinking that ozone might be leaking into the room. I dont really know if I was smelling it or not, but the thought of my room having ozone in it freaks me out.

I'll have to try either limewater or hydrogen peroxide.

I ran the unit for about 3 hours..my ORP rose from 300 to 340. After 5 min of turning off the ozone, my ORP dropped back down to 300.

 

[DocG]

Where does the air from the skimmer vent? Are there holes in the top of the lid of the collection cup? If there are, just cut some carbon filter pads and put them over the vent holes. That should get rid of the ozone smell. That is how I do it and it works just fine.

 

[t4zalews]

I actually poured carbon into a mesh bag and placed it in the riser tube so it had to pass through it.

 

[t4zalews]

Im gunna try keeping my ph above 8.4. My tank naturally runs at 8.4 at the end of the day so I'll just maintain it from there. Im gunna use limewater I guess. I'm dosing alk with a doser...should I stop it and only dose limewater? I'm thinking about setting up my doser to dose the limewater when my Ph hits 8.41 and stop it when it hits 8.45. will this work and not throw my alk out of whack?

 

[bertoni]

Ozone can be a problem, so I would have shut it off, too.

 

[t4zalews]

Im actually pretty bumbed because I really wanted to use it. But worrying if ozone is leaking into the air will drive me crazy.

 

[t4zalews]

unhooked the unit and set up some new carbon in my reactor and going lights off for a day. The dino's were really bad yesterday.

Does limewater effect alkalinity? Im gunna try elevated Ph. If it does not effect alk..ill just unhook my calcium pump and dose it with that pump. Ill place the Ph probe in the main tank so that it isnt effected by the high sump ph

 

[turbo21]

putting the carbon on top of your skimmer lid will remove the excess ozone venting out. i would only be worried if you could smell that bleach like ozone smell strongly when you enter the room

bob

 

[bertoni]

Limewater adds calcium and alkalinity to the system.

 

[gwhunter]

I battled dino myself for about three months. I tried everything suggested here and on the web. Nothing seemed to make any difference. Until I read about hydrogen peroxide dosing. I started running Seachem Seagel in my filter. I also dosed 5ml per 10g once a day just before the lights went out. I didn't alter the photoperiod at all. I did no water changes just topped off with ro/di. In about 3 weeks I noticed the dino lessen little by little. Now it's gone an I've got coraline coming in fast. I also started to put bleach in my washer while I washed my filter socks. I hope this may help you in your battle.

Matt

 

[jkopp36]

On day 2 of peroxide dosing. Did 0.5ml/10g last night and 1ml/10g today. I haven't noticed much of anything yet besides my ORP dives deep right afterward but bounces back higher than ever and one type of zoas in the tank close up immediately but reopen in full within a half hour or so. I'll update again once something happens - good or bad.