dino experiment

I've been dosing Hydrogen peroxide for 5 days in my tank and the only thing I have notice is that peroxide didn't work against my dino's. Nothing have changed.

I'm dosing 4ml per day for a 40g system unfortunately with no successes. :(
 
yea..ive been dosing every day and have yet to see any results. I sucked the top of the sandbed today and tried to suck some off the rocks. I'm thinking about buying some filter socks and changing them daily. Is 100 micron better than 200 micron? which one has a finer filter?

Im gunna kill my main lights for a couple days and just run my actinics. I pretty much just watch my corals die as the dino's smother them.
 
instead of a filter sock, i threw back on my RS80 along with my octopus. Hopefully this way it will just skim the hell out of the water. So i have 2 skimmers running and a cup of ROX in a reactor. Leaving the main lights off a couple days and will dose 5 mL every morning. If no progess is made by saturday, I will get some pickling lime and try elevated Ph. Something has to work

I've considered all my corals goners as I've already lost most of my favorite ones. Just dont want my gig to die.
 
t4zalews I had a small successes with high pH, dino's lose strength, become easy to suck but after a couple of days they return. Filter socks helps too but will not solve the problem. Now I'm heading to a probiotic solution. I'll quit peroxide dosing in more 2 days if nothing change here.
 
I sucked off the sandbed and some of the rocks, then filtered the water through a filter sock, then ran a powerhead in the filtered water with like two spills of peroxide, then left it mixign for 10 min. Then put it back into the tank, and added another skimmer to my sump. My ORP last night was 375. Way higher than before, I was running at like 300 during the afternoon.
 
Some folks did report that it didn't work for them although that was few and far between. Like I said, it took about a week and a half - 2 weeks before I saw any results, then the die off was pretty quick.

After 5 or 6 days - you guys aren't giving it a chance, you cannot expect results pretty much overnight in this hobby. Have patience. I'm sure an elevated pH will help, I couldn't maintain my pH at 8.6 consistently.
 
I also found this a few days ago regarding velvet disease as I've been trying to learn all I can on different diseases. I have a couple of fish in QT - not showing any signs of disease, but I wanted to know more anyway.

Check out treatment option # 12 in this link. Velvet is actually a dinoflaggelate... although they state that this treatment is experimental at best, it had promising results. Since I've noticed great results using peroxide, I started adding a standard dose to my QT tank. I've noticed no issues at all and as a matter of fact a small, round wound on one fish as begun to clear up very nicely. That could be coincidental though and I don't contribute the peroxide to the healing process - even though I'd like to think it has ;)

anyway - this is the link:

http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2004-07/sp/feature/index.php
 
I could keep dosing peroxide but my main concern is about my tank habitants health, specially for the fishes and my sps corals. I wondering if the use of peroxide could cause any problem to them. Any thoughts about it?
 
IMO, with any type of dosing there can be potential issues. Vodka comes to mind as well - do it wrong and there can be severe issues. One guy posted that someone OD'd his tank using peroxide but it was such a gross over-estimate on his part.

The ONLY issue I've even seen in my own tanks is that zoanthids and palys close up for a half hour or so. If anything, I would have expected to see a decline in pod population since they always appear to be the first things to go, but my population is booming. Coralline is growing well, zoanthids are encrusting - all in all everything appears to be doing well.

I've also started dosing it in my QT tank. Been doing it since last Friday with no ill effects that I can see. There is an itsy bitsy Royal Gramma and a small Lieutenant tang in there now.

If you are concerned - then definitely stop dosing. I would never recommend to continue to do something to your tank if you're not comfortable doing it.
 
I have been battling dino's for a long time now, just over a year. For the longest time I thought I was battling super brown cyano. I was doing all of the cyano things and was getting nowhere. It was getting very frustrating, I lost a lot of beautiful and huge SPS corals that I have had for years and quite a few fish to this awful stuff. It was very prolific and I was getting very, very discouraged. It seemed that all I was doing was siphoning it out, but it would come back really, really quickly. It would get so bad that I had to watch the overflows and make sure they didn't get so clogged with brown slimy gunk that the tank would overflow (this is the 500 gallon showtank).

Honestly, if I didn't have so much money invested into this tank, I may very well have quit the hobby over the summer. The only thing that kept me going was the knowledge that if I quit the hobby, my wife would kill me.

Finally about 2-3 weeks ago I ID'd the algae as dinos. The original plan was to try to get the pH up to 8.4-8.5 with 3 days of lights out, but it proved to be impossible to keep the pH that high for very long. So with more research I came up with my current battle plan.

Here is what I have been doing for the past 8 days:

3 days lights off
1 day lights on - 4 hours
3 days lights off
today is the eighth day and I am running the lights for 4 hours

Running carbon though a BRS reactor and changing it every other day.

Keeping a very close eye on the phosphate and changing the media (GFO) regularly, the GFO would become exhausted very, very quickly. Now it is lasting longer and I am getting it down to levels that I am accustomed to (under 0.04)

Running ozone at a rate of 100 mg/hr. I had an old in sump skimmer sitting around that I turned into an ozone reactor.

siphoning out all of the dino's that I could into a 5 gallon bucket through a filter sock and then replacing the water back into the tank.

running a filter sock on the drains from the overflow

dosing hydrogen peroxide at an estimated dose of 1 mL / 10 gallons - i.e. I am adding 50 mL of H2O2 daily. I missed one dose over the course of the 8 days due to being out of town and I was not going to have someone else dose hydrogen peroxide in my tank.

I am trying to keep the pH up but as I said, that is a losing battle and I have gone through a lot of kalk.

The results thus far in 8 days is nothing short of miraculous.

The dinos are not all gone but I have to actually look to find them.

I am starting to get my passion back for this hobby.
 
That's awesome to hear. Congrats on hopefully winning the battle - or at least well on your way. It's such a great feeling to beat the stuff that I agree, you get your passion back and makes the hobby fun again.
 
I do think I'm getting somewhere but I'm doing my reset starting today. I have been double dosing H2O2 the past few days - 40ml at 6AM and 6PM on a 400g system. I have not noticed any ill effects from the double dosing except I have had a few SPS frags STN but I'm not convinced it has anything to do with the H2O2 since I had the MH above my frag tank off for about a week up until a couple days ago. Today I am shutting down all lights for three days and will turn them back on Saturday.

I'm thinking I have a different issue other than dinos. I have a lot of what can be perfectly physically described as neon green cyano. The H2O2 does not seem to have much effect on it. I know it's probably better left to ask in a separate discussion but any ideas on what that stuff is?

In general, I would have to say things are getting better for me though. :dance:
 
After sucking out the sandbed, I've been runnign actinics only this whole week. Dosing 7 mL in the morning. My ORP is higher than before and when I dose it spiked up to 390 which is awesome. As I said I'm also running two skimmers that are keeping good head, hopefully they're sucking out any dino remains that go to the overflow. Good thing about actinics is the algae doesnt produce bubbles, which I think is the sign of them reproducing quickly. I'll try sucking out any other dino crude from my rocks through a filter sock on friday. Then I'm going to slowly put my halides back on..but I'm thinking only for 2 hours and work my way up gradually.
 
On Day 4 of actinic only while dosing peroxide. My rocks seem to be clearing up, I blasted them with a turkey baster today to try and loosen some of the dead algae so that my skimmers could remove it. Sandbed looks relatively clean still, some brown spots but nothing I find alarming. My stable ORP is steadily on the rise as well. The tank runs normally at 340, up from 300-310 previously. Could be the water clearing of particles. I'm only feeding sheets of nori right now..no pellets.
 
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Now these pictures are taken after this lighting cycle... I had lights off sunday and monday, then starting tuesday I had actinics on for 5 hours until friday. The pictures are with my halides on for about 1 hour. No signs of bubbles. I am keeping my halides on for 2 hours a day going forward. I've been dosing 7 mL of peroxide every morning. When the actinics were on I aggressively basted my rocks with anywhere I see any brown algae. I am running two protein skimmers right now and ROX carbon in a reactor. I will keep an eye on the dino's. If i see any bubbles, I will kill the halides just run actinics. and aggressively bast my rocks if any algae seems to be forming. If the sand gets bad, I will syphon off the top layer again. I will only do that if necessary again.

Im going to continue to dose 7mL every morning.
 
well...you shouldnt do water changes when you have dino's. but make sure you still check your salinity! no wonder i'm losing all my corals, my SG is at 1.019. I'll mix up some salt in my ATO to slowly bring it back up. So peroxide was not to blame either for failing corals.
 
yea..my sand still has some dusting of dinos. I'm going to siphon them out. I have my main lights on for 2 hours a day right now. I see some bubbles forming..but no new algae to speak of. I've noticed my ORP stays at a high level now. it was 370 this morning with no peroxide added. So I must have really cleaned up my water since I started this whole thing. If I get an ethernet cable, I'll hook up my apex to the internet and get a graph over the time span.
 
I'm glad to hear things are working out with the dosing.

I just wanted to pipe in and say that my dinos is still gone with elevated ph and lights out for a day as my only treatment.

I held it over 8.4 for a week (using kalk slurry) and the dinos disappeared. Today my ph is at 8.25 and has been below 8.4 for a few weeks now.

It is a great feeling to whip this stuff !
 
Just finished my third round of lights out with the regiment that I have described above.

Everything looks better then it has looked in a long time. Water is so clear it is amazing and no sign of Dinos.

I am going to stop dosing and keep the lights on (although still on a reduced photoperiod) and watch the tank like a hawk.
 
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