Dinoflagellates.

[Kearnel]

I've been battling some variation of this for about 4 months or so now. Don't which it is but it's definitely not the lethal sort, nothing has died and nothing is really affected by it. I blow it off with a baster, syphon up the gravel, return what water I can and top up with fresh. I still do my regular water change routine and normal maintenance but I have started doing the h202 at 30ml. I've also turned my lights wayyyyyyy down. Chanel one on my Evergrow is at 20% max during the day and chanel 2 hits 10% max during the day and I believe it's only at max for 0.5 hrs. I've been overfeeding and adding a coral vitamin supplements to try and put nutrients back into the water. Today was the first day in months that I came home and was able to do nothing to it because growth was almost non existent. I know it means little because it could just be a fluke but man it was nice to be with my wife and kids instead of up to my elbows in salt water. I hope I'm onto something, I'd love to find that perfect balance because all I've done with this tank is fight with it for the last 2.5 year's.

 

[DNA]

Just curious if anybody actually know how common it is for people to get Dino blooms in the reef hobby in general.

I think everyone has them in small numbers and blooms to be much more common than we like to admit.
It would be interesting to test if one of the phases with new tanks is dinos and the "diatom" blooms to be looked at under a microscope.
In my small community of reefers they seem to be in most tanks in visible numbers.

If you don't know how to look they go unnoticed and that is the case with almost all small blooms.

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I'm able to do water changes now without causing an increase in dinos.
If I don't corals will lose their color and tissue rapidly.
Does that sound like a familiar unexplained problem in the hobby?

 

[calistyle]

Can anyone ID this?

Video:
https://vimeo.com/121148770

 

[mfaso24]

Can anyone ID this?

Video:
https://vimeo.com/121148770

ID:Satan lol but no I'm pretty sure you need a microscope to ID

 

[Montireef]

You have many things there, besides some rock, LOL

I bet cianobacteria + dinoflagellates

 

[bertoni]

I agree that the slime might be cyanobacteria and dinoflagellates. It'd probably take a microscope to be sure, though.

 

[calistyle]

I had cyno real bad and did chemiclean, which helped.

I've since done 3 - 30G water changes over a months time to get Nitrates down. As of now I'm sitting at .03 po4 and 10ppm no3.

I have no problem using h202, did so in the past (on my nano) with red turf algae and had great success.

That said, what do you think my best plan of attack is?

I'm thinking of trying the Kordon Ich treatment, but see limited cases on this thread.

Fish and coral are fine, CUC too for the most part.

 

[mfaso24]

I had cyno real bad and did chemiclean, which helped.

I've since done 3 - 30G water changes over a months time to get Nitrates down. As of now I'm sitting at .03 po4 and 10ppm no3.

I have no problem using h202, did so in the past (on my nano) with red turf algae and had great success.

That said, what do you think my best plan of attack is?

I'm thinking of trying the Kordon Ich treatment, but see limited cases on this thread.

Fish and coral are fine, CUC too for the most part.

You could try fauna Marin algae x. After doing a bit of research this seemed to help a good amount. Bought some and am waiting for it to come in.

 

[mfaso24]

Has anybody hear heard of or used the product dinoXAL? Don't know if it's available In the US. But supposedly it has good results.

 

[DNA]

Can anyone ID this?

It is Cyano on top and dinos underneath.
Removing the Cyano with chemicals does not help with the dino problem.

A microscope is the next step.

 

[Montireef]

I agree with DNA.
Microscope is a must

 

[mfaso24]

Hypothetical question: how do you tear down your tank and restart using the same livestock without reintroducing the Dino's?

 

[Montireef]

No way.

 

[mfaso24]

Was just thinking like what would happen if a large public aquarium had a major outbreak of this stuff...like LI aquariums 20,000 gallon reef display.

 

[Royce7586]

Dinoxal is the same as fauna marin ultra algae x, becareful with it I think I overdosed and it killed a few of my sps faster then the dinos were killing them

 

[mygsris2slo4u]

Help please

Help please

I posted some pics (including microscope pics) of what may or may not be Dinos. If any of you could poke your head in to that thread it would be much appreciated. I have not received positive Id on the culprit.

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2478900

 

[mfaso24]

Dinoflagellates.

I posted some pics (including microscope pics) of what may or may not be Dinos. If any of you could poke your head in to that thread it would be much appreciated. I have not received positive Id on the culprit.



http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2478900

Just took a look. Hm I'm not positive. Dino's are usually more egg shaped was it moving under the micrsope? Dino's move pretty quickly. You can probably look it up and see what I'm talking about. I saw it somewhere but don't remember where.

Hopefully someone else can chime in and offer a little more help.

 

[mygsris2slo4u]

Just took a look. Hm I'm not positive. Dino's are usually more egg shaped was it moving under the micrsope? Dino's move pretty quickly. You can probably look it up and see what I'm talking about. I saw it somewhere but don't remember where.

Hopefully someone else can chime in and offer a little more help.

No movement... And did not appear to look like anything Pants shows in his YouTube videos. I really am stumped.

 

[Montireef]

It does not look like dinos, ciano or diatoms on the microscope.

 

[wilsonreefs]

As some of you know I've started a anti-dino approach in my 240. I noticed that in my DSB there were a lot of places with the dreaded "black sand" some under rocks, some under deep sand. I am in the process of taking out about half of my sand. I will be replacing with new, and I'm scrubbing my live rock and putting them into a separate container until I have things straightened out. I fear this is going to start a new cycle, but it is what it is. I am really sick of the dino's. So far they are managing to kill some of my corals..
I am running my skimmer pretty heavy, dosing with H2O2, running charcoal, and running my diatom filter, because I'm causing quite a storm in the tank.
My hopes are that with the shallow bed, I will be able to keep it stirred up enough periodically to keep the "gook" in suspension so that the protein skimmer can do it's job. I have a couple of Dart pumps moving water around in the display, I'm just going to have to direct it to better keep the live rock "dusted" off. I will try to keep everyone posted as to my progress and if this is going to help or not.
I did have (about 6 or 7 months ago my ATO stuck on and filled my tank and sump with Kalkwasser). This, to the point it looked like my tank was filled with milk instead of water! Yes, almost everything in the tank died. I tried doing water changes, etc, but I believe there was just too much dead in the tank that I couldn't get out and caused this flare up. Hopefully, this will fix my problem.
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