DIY Bio Ball Tower

They don't work in a reef setup because the bacteria on them only process ammonia into nitrate. Using a RDSB in a bucket will process ammonia into nitrogen gas, totally removing it from the tank entirely.

Oh, and the reason LR works better than bioballs is because the high concentration of nitrates at the surface of LR drives it into the rock where the anaerobic bacteria live and which are able to process the nitrates into nitrogen gas that then diffuses out of the rock. That is why removing bioballs gets rid of nitrates, it forces the nitrates to be produced right next to where other bacteria can break it down.
 
I honestly dont understand why Bio balls have such a bad rap.

If you clean them like you are supposed to at least every 6 months, they work wonderfully.

I run them on my QT system. I used a 5 gal bucket, cut off the bottom 3" then drilled a few hundred holes in the bottom part. Then I installed a bulkhead in the center of the lid, and glued the bottom to the inside of the lid and put it on the bucket top. This acts as a shower head. Then I zip tied egg crate to the bucket bottom and some PVC to lift it 3".

Bam $10 bio ball tower.

They don't necessarily have a "bad rep." However, when you clean a substrate, you kill the biological processes that are occuring on that substrate, or interupt it signicantly at best. So the process has to start almost from scratch every single time. Neither is good for the stability and well being of the system. A bucket DSB, no maintenance required. Set it up, and forget it...

They are relegated to the also ran pile, because they are nothing special in particular...bio-balls are a "technology" not a natural process, and they do not do the whole job, you still need nitrate export; the push in aquaculture is more biology and less technology...the only technology that is still almost obligatory is a skimmer. I have a system that I am weaning off the skimmer, but this system has extremely high quality very diverse live rock, a very mature intank critter based DSB, and a moderate bio-load. It has not had a water change in a couple years, only evap replacement with distilled water. As the anecdote goes: so far so good....now it will probably crash next week.....
 
I would say that like pumps are the technological replacement for waves, skimmers are the technological replacement for waves hitting the beach and generating foam.
 
They don't work in a reef setup because the bacteria on them only process ammonia into nitrate. Using a RDSB in a bucket will process ammonia into nitrogen gas, totally removing it from the tank entirely.

Oh, and the reason LR works better than bioballs is because the high concentration of nitrates at the surface of LR drives it into the rock where the anaerobic bacteria live and which are able to process the nitrates into nitrogen gas that then diffuses out of the rock. That is why removing bioballs gets rid of nitrates, it forces the nitrates to be produced right next to where other bacteria can break it down.

This is very questionable. Simple diffusion could account for penetration a short distance into the rock, mm's perhaps. However, the rock available these days has no mechanism (infauna) for the bulk transport of water through the rock which would provide advective transport of nitrates at the precise speed necessary for denitrification to occur. External water movement is not sufficient to cause bulk water movement within the rock either. This was covered rather in depth by Dr. Shimek.

Beyond that, after a relatively short time, the pores in the rock (remember the pores we are looking at are smaller than a hypodermic needle) become covered with coralline algae, the corals and other life glued to the rocks, and glycocalyx (a glue like bacterial secretion, the glue that builds coral reefs) that completely block the pores in the dead rock in use today. Such obstructions make it unreasonable to believe that any denitrification is occuring within the rock, and if any does occur, it is for a very short lived period of time. If such denitrification were occuring, none of us would have issues with nitrates... we would not need DSBs; in reality, "live rock" is nothing but large neutral colored bio-balls that you can make an aquascape out of and glue corals too...the real benefits of live rock, when the collection of such rock was banned, went bye bye: that being the bio-diversity and probable denitrification made possible by the water pumping actions of infauna.

The operation of a DSB is subject to a different set of circumstances and a sand bed is a more fluid substrate (when oolitic aragonite is used, though silica sand can be used,) than a rock is...
 
Would you have access to The Reef Aquarium Volume 3 (Delbeek and Sprung)? On page 260 they talk about denitirifcation.

"It has been shown that nitrification and denitrification occur in aerobic layers, where they are termed coupled since the processes occur simultaneously, mediated by bacteria in close proximity. Here anoxic microsites provide a habitat for anaerobic bacteria while being surrounded by aerobic pore waters (Jenkins and Kemp, 1984)"

They go into details about how the flow across the surface impacts the chemistry of the water vs depth which is why a RDSB in a bucket works, the sand bed is deep enough for stratification to occur allowing for colonization of denitrifying bacteria deep in the sand in quantities that wouldn't be possible on the LR. The processes are the same for LR and RDSB, just the surface area of the RDSB is orders of magnitude larger therefore allowing the bacteria colonies to process more nitrates than LR alone.

Respectfully,
 
Would you have access to The Reef Aquarium Volume 3 (Delbeek and Sprung)? On page 260 they talk about denitirifcation.

"It has been shown that nitrification and denitrification occur in aerobic layers, where they are termed coupled since the processes occur simultaneously, mediated by bacteria in close proximity. Here anoxic microsites provide a habitat for anaerobic bacteria while being surrounded by aerobic pore waters (Jenkins and Kemp, 1984)"

They go into details about how the flow across the surface impacts the chemistry of the water vs depth which is why a RDSB in a bucket works, the sand bed is deep enough for stratification to occur allowing for colonization of denitrifying bacteria deep in the sand in quantities that wouldn't be possible on the LR. The processes are the same for LR and RDSB, just the surface area of the RDSB is orders of magnitude larger therefore allowing the bacteria colonies to process more nitrates than LR alone.

Respectfully,

Respect noted, and returned...

The work of Delbeek and Sprung, is somewhat outdated, and won't stand up to scrutiny (considering they could not get anaerobic and anoxic straight :D ) when the issue of the rocks pores becoming plugged, is brought into the equation, and such anaerobic (denitrification is an anaerobic process not an anoxic process; anaerobic meaning little available oxygen and anoxic meaning oxygen depleted no oxygen an entirely different ecosystem galapogos rift zone type stuff..see birch aquarium) microsites become increasingly unlikely. This plugging makes any mode of transport into or through the rock impossible... the pores are the only uppance that rock has over bio-balls. It can't be hotly contested that some denitrification occurs in rock, though it is questionable. However, the assertion is that such denitrification if occuring, will be short lived. What occurs on the natural reef, which Delbeek and Sprung have nailed spot on, is not how things go in a captive environment with garbage rock...and there is no significant denitrification associated with the rock. The reason is a lack of a motive force, and pathway.

IMHO, Sprung needs to stop trying to sell snake oil (bio-pellets, because live rock and DSBs are doing the job :/ ) and stick a hypdermic needle into some captive so called "live rock" and find out what is going on inside it. Me, I am not going to waste the time. DSB all the way... ;)

So what we can conclude is: maybe... but that should not be enough to make one think that throwing rock rubble in their sump will make the biological filtration better, it will only make more nitrates, just like bio-balls will.

With a DSB, it is accepted that denitrifcation can and most likely does occur in the upper aerobic layers, along side nitrification, especially with very fine oolitic substrates, and the physics that drive the operation of a DSB. Calfo, who devised the bucket DSB, also agreed that denitrification can occur within mm of the surface of a DSB.
 
Someone mentioned bio media getting a bad rep, I would agree.

But I agree because I'm sure 90% of the people saying that, didn't enjoy cleaning the excess enough. /shrug :)
 
Nope, that is not what a non-critter based DSB does. Not entirely anyway—but neither will bio-balls. In the upper oxygenated layer, which may only be a cm deep if that, there will be processing of of dissolved organics -> Ammonia -> Nitrite -> Nitrate, but this is a process that occurs on every surface, substrate, pipes, inside pump volutes, walls of the tank, the surface of rock, and other shallow sand beds. The beginning of the process is accomplished by heterotrophic bacteria, that decompose the organic matter, and dissolved organics to Ammonia. This process also occurs in all parts of the system. What the non-critter based DSB cannot deal with is the particulate matter, and neither can the bio-balls. Such particulate matter is not much of a problem as long as it is not collected, or allowed to settle out, where it will immediately begin to decompose adding more dissolved organics to the system.

There is a difference between Marine systems and Freshwater systems. Marine fish, do not excrete ammonia, as fresh water fish do. They excrete dissolved organics directly to the water which, along with excess food, must then first be converted to ammonia, before going any further. Although the conversion process from ammonia to nitrate is very efficient due to the large populations of autotrophic bacteria in a well managed system (initial cycle,) the decomposition process is slower, because the heterotrophic bacteria populations are much lower, as they must be for the system to remain in balance, and capable of recovering from ammonia spikes quickly without losses.

The result is a steady build up of dissolved organics, that pollute the system, and can easily cause a systems demise over time. This makes the basic problem with marine systems the dissolved organics, not the ammonia -> nitrate process. Bio-balls address the Ammonia -> Nitrate process, as well as heterotrophic processes, but do not turbo charge anything enough to make them worth anything. In terms of populations, there is more surface area for colonization of autotrophic bacteria on a couple of rocks, and a couple inches of sand than there is with a bucket of bio-balls, so really what is the point? The process is every bit as efficient when the substrate is submerged, as it is when exposed to air...hence the bio-balls do nothing but produce nitrates, which is hardly if ever a problem in most any system, the problem displays as the all too familiar nuisance algae problems due to high nitrate production.

There is only one method to directly remove the dissolved organics, and keep them 'in check' at least, so they don't excessively build up. That is a large powerful skimmer, usually three times larger than what is recommended by the manufacturer for a given tank size. At that, you have a skimmer that is sized properly for the system. (There are no standards for skimmer sizing, it is all marketing hype.)

Armed with a properly sized skimmer, and we already know the ammonia -> nitrate process will produce excess nitrates, without adding bio-balls, the only thing left to deal with is the removal of nitrates more efficiently than water changes can even come close to, and that is what a DSB does. Denitrification. Bio-balls don't do it, and neither does rock (there is no mechanism for water movement through the dead base rock that is called live rock these days.)

You say nitrates are not an issue with the system you intend. That is great, but it actually is....if it gets out of hand, and out of hand it will get, unless you deal with it.

The flow rates for a DSB should be in the so called "SPS flow rate" range (such as 200 gph over the surface of 60lbs of sand in a 5 gallon bucket, which results in only a few inches of water above the DSB.) Low flow through a sump with a sand bed in it is one of the worst practices around.

If you were planning a 100 or a 1000 breeding tanks, then maybe some thought should be given to the methods used, but on a tiny scale there is not really much point, in the end what you want is excellent water quality, and the best water quality is in well managed reef systems. I have 25 breeding pairs, various species, and they all inhabit "reef environments." I have breeding pairs in my main display tank...a bit more dangerous for the offspring in there however... ;)

The real question is: Do you want to produce nitrates, bio-balls do that very well. Or, do you want to produce excellent water quality, which is what your breeding pairs want and need, along with some other things....low to zero nitrates is a part of high water quality...nitrate is a pollutant...though not toxic at levels normally found in aquaria, and neither is nitrite...in that sense your thinking is correct.

Well that is how several other folks see it and practice it....

Looking into DSB. Do I need to use aquarioum type sand, or can I use the sand I find at lowes?
 
Looking into DSB. Do I need to use aquarioum type sand, or can I use the sand I find at lowes?

You can use silica sand. With silica sand, a bucket DSB can be a very inexpensive investment. Although due to the grain shape, it makes for a far less fluid sand bed. (The grains being jagged, lock together.) Silica sand is what was used in large rapid sand filters.

On the other hand, Lowes, Home Depot, and the like is not exactly the place I would want to be getting sand for aquarium use. This sand, before being shipped to distributors, and finally to retailers, is kept in huge piles outdoors, exposed to the elements, et al. and oil is used to keep it from blowing away....

You could also use Calcite, or dolomite. The problem is it is hard to get a "good" grain size with these substrates. The advantage to aragonite is the wide range of grain sizes available, and the grain shape is spheroid, since it is a precipitate. Oolitic being best. Silica sand is a suitable replacement, and does the job.
 
You are right(not that I really doubted you). I bought some quickcrete play sand, no amount of rinsing would clean it. Went over to petsmart and bought their aragonite from top fin, cleaned up pretty quick.

I'm thinking of elevating the bucket so the outlet is just above sump, and feeding it with a MJ1200. Is that too much flow, not enough?

How close should my inlet outlet be to sand level? I don't want sand in my sump/display.
 
That pump will probably work fine, but remember it is a powerhead, and will not respond well to any head pressure. IMO, this is a case where a small eheim or some such would shine.

The topology of the bucket is probably going to dictate where the inlet and outlet are placed. I think it would be advantageous to skim through the Bucket DSB thread, for ideas. You want the flow across the top of the sand, not down into the sand...

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=595109

The secret to keeping sand from blowing around, is diffuse flow...not directed flow...since you don't want particulates getting into the bucket, some mild mechanical filter (sponge say) on the water inlet can diffuse the flow. This adds a maintenance point to the system, but only a mild one.
 
I would only be pushing water up 2 feet I think - and that's from the bottom of the sump to the top of the bucket with vinyl tubing (so no 90 degree angles). Point taken on the powerhead. I'll use it for now, and try to pick up a used pump somewhere.

I also have the supplies to make a ATS. Is that redundant? If this bucket removes all my nitrates, the algae won't have any nutrients to grow.
 
I would only be pushing water up 2 feet I think - and that's from the bottom of the sump to the top of the bucket with vinyl tubing (so no 90 degree angles). Point taken on the powerhead. I'll use it for now, and try to pick up a used pump somewhere.

I also have the supplies to make a ATS. Is that redundant? If this bucket removes all my nitrates, the algae won't have any nutrients to grow.

An ATS is redundant, and the methodology was "debunked" and tossed out many years ago. A case of the old made new again, but with no marked improvement equal to the hype.
 
An ATS is redundant, and the methodology was "debunked" and tossed out many years ago. A case of the old made new again, but with no marked improvement equal to the hype.

They do work, correct. There are lots of them out there.

Glad they are redundant, less electricity for me!
 
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