DIY LEDs - The write-up

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I would suggest you PM the moderator that edited your post for clarification about that specific incident. Or if you are interested in a more general sense, post in the help & questions forum:

http://reefcentral.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=&daysprune=1&forumid=74

or PM rbaker, as he handles most of the commercial/advert concerns for RC.

Oh, and if I were you, I would consider not hinting at the contents of edited posts until you've clarified the situation. ;)
 
Blatant or not I think there should be a distinction between a commercial posting and a hobbiest selling their equipment.

I know in the past when I was building a DIY project I'd been asked for my sources and extra parts and obviously the best place to sell these items would be within the DiY posting itself.

Regardless, I appreciate the benefits of this forum and am planning to comply with the rules.
 
So, I've been alternating between searching digikey and staring at datasheets for a week and think it's possible to DIY a driver with similar features as a buckpuck for about $8/unit. ($5.87 for components to be exact, plus a buck or two for odds and ends, solder, wire, etc.) Unless someone tells me I'm crazy, I think this will be the approach I take for the nano I'm building. Perhaps it's not "worth it" on a nano since I'll only need 4 or 5 of the units, but I'm trying to stay focused on using this nano to pilot LED so I can use it on a very large tank at some point down the road. If you're using 20 - 25 buckpucks, saving $10 - $15 each would be significant.

The design is based on the ON Semiconductors NCP3065:

http://www.onsemi.com/PowerSolutions/product.do?id=NCP3063

I'm thinking I'll build a boost driver, since in theory it'll be a little simpler and a little more efficient. The tradeoff seems to be higher ripple on the output, but I'll be underdriving the LEDs compared to most people, so a little variance hopefully won't hurt.

Two 3-up Endor Stars (using the Rebel LED) per unit means 6 LEDs at about 20v when driven around 400mA. In a boost configuration running on an 18v power supply, OnSemi's design tools are predicting like 93% efficiency, and only like 18 mW of loss in the chip! The most efficient buck designs I can come up with are in the 80's efficiency, and closer to 1w lost in the chip. I'm guessing the buckpuck products use a similar chip to the NCP3065 and probably have, at best, ~85% efficiency - assuming you are driving them to within inches of their lives. According to the calculations on OnSemi's tools, boost drivers are most efficient with really low duty cycles (which happens when the power supply voltage is only a few volts under the LED voltage drop), whereas drivers are most efficient with really high duty cycles (which happens when the power supply voltage is only a few volts under the LED voltage drop). This explains the better absolute efficiency of the boost driver, since the switch in the chip is off most of the time, right?

I suppose this is all theoretical to an extent and I will never see a big drop in my electrical bill by saving 3 - 5% efficiency per driver, but the geek in me is excited by having come up with a way to improve things.

I realize that this post probably has little or no bearing on anyone else's projects, since I seem to be one of the only people interested in DIY'ing a driver, but I'm throwing it out there anyways. Some of you can probably tell, but I'm making this up as I go along, so please comment or correct if any of you with more EE background have thoughts about this.

The NCP3065 chip has an input for digital or analog PWM dimming, but I'm thinking I'll build without that feature, then add it later if I want. The way I am mounting the LEDs above this nano will give me a ton of flexibility in terms of placement and height, so hopefully that'll give me freedom if I want to adjust things. Plus, if I really discover that I want one string to be less bright, I can just swap the current sense resistor on the driver, or add PWM dimming to that one driver.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15205257#post15205257 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Razor
I know in the past when I was building a DIY project I'd been asked for my sources and extra parts and obviously the best place to sell these items would be within the DiY posting itself.

It comes down to the fact that if we allowed such selling, the discussion forums would quickly become full of sales instead of discussions. Hence, we only allow selling in the selling forums ;)
 
Hello All,

I am hoping to build my own LED Rig and I am hoping I could tagged along here and have you guys give me your input. My goal is to replace the 65 Watt X 2 Power Compact fixture I have in my hood to an all LED fixture using a scaled down model that soundwave setup as my guide. Currently I am stocking most softies but also have a few acans, acro's (lower light ones) and a superman monti. I was thinking of using 24 total XR-E starts (12 White 12 Blue) in 2 heatsink sections just like soundwave. Each section would be 4 LED length by 3 LED deep for a total of 12. My tank is a standard 29 Gallon 30 Length 12 Wide and 18 deep. Here are my questions.

1. Will this lighting be suffienct for the Superman Monti if kept about 10 inches down?

2. If not using optics will this give me a good looking uniform light spread or will it look too spotlight (fixture will be about 5 inches from the water surface.

Any feedback is greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Darren
 
hlem; I don't. My feeling is that most of those won't be bright enough. Buy one and check it out. Let us know what you think!
 
Hey hey guys,

I was curious on a specific Cree LED.

Most people are using the Q5 or Q4 LED's which produce 100+ lumens. Also, most people are using XR-E Led's.

What about the XP-E LED's?

Here is the XR-E LED
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Here is the XP-E LED
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I have found that the XP-E LED's can be found in the same Q4 and Q5 range of 100+ lumens but at a much better price. It also seems that the XP-E is a newer version of the XR-E but in an 80% smaller package. It also has a max current of 700Ma compared to the 1000Ma for the XR-E LED's.

Could this be a good substitution for the white LED's that everyone has been using thus far? Wouldnt they use less energy because you wouldnt be required to have 1000Ma buckpucks?

Thoughts?
 
They seem to be a pretty safe bet.

Im definitely going to go LED's over my soon to be made 140 gallon (72"x30"x15" LWH). Im going to make a pendant of LED's that move across the tank. Im in the designing phase right now and I need to see how much Im realistically spending on lights.

How is your tank looking soundwave?
 
Nah, Deal extreme is not the best website from what I heard. I found another website that Im going to find out whether or not its legit. If it is.......ohhhh man Im going to be making out like a bandit.
 
Soundwave and all of you thank you for the great thread!!!!

My friend and I will build 2 lights for 75 gallon AGA tank 48”x18”x21”.


We are planning to use these LEDs: LED Data Sheet
Cool White - LUXEON Rebel SMT Emitter High Power LED Cool White Lamb 100 Lumens Min 350mA (180 lumens measured at 700mA)
Royal Blue - Rebel SMT Emitter High Power LED Royal Blue Lambertian 350 mA 275mW Min (525 mW measured at 700mA)
Blue - Rebel SMT Emitter High Power LED Blue Lambertian 350 mA 18.1 Lumens Min (38 lumens measured at 700mA)

Should we use Blue and/or Cyan LED and why yes/no? or just stay with Cool White and Royal Blue?

Can we use eldoLED LM-Dot Connector a 150Watt RGB(W) LED Driver instead of buckpucks?
Data Sheet

Thanks

Krzysiek
 
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I've had no problems from dealextreme.com

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15219591#post15219591 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by khanb31
Nah, Deal extreme is not the best website from what I heard. I found another website that Im going to find out whether or not its legit. If it is.......ohhhh man Im going to be making out like a bandit.
 
That's pretty hot. That means the XREs should drop in prices.

But higher lumens doesn't necessarily mean better. I think I toasted some of my corals. There has to be a point where it may be too much light.

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15221434#post15221434 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jtma508
Have you guys heard about the new Cree XP-G? 132l at 350ma, 345l at 1A. Due out 3Q 2009:

http://ledsreview.com/547
 
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