DIY Sulfur Denitrator

The LFS near me asked me to build some reactors for their customer, which I did. They were immense. Once I was done, I thought - hmm, maybe I could make my own reactor finally. :lol: And to specify, I merely did the acrylic work, the owner had to do everything else.

If only there was a great article summarizing all the details.

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I know, they are huge. I did a quick measurement, and they each held 18g of liquid volume. :lol:
 
How Long Should It Take?

How Long Should It Take?

Q for DJ and the crowd....

Tonight is the end of day 4 since firing up my reactor.
I have a nice slow drip-rate going, so obviously everything going in is working its way through the reactor to come out.
There has been no decrease in my effluent nitrate level and there is no gas output noted -- only water comes out when I open the release valve each nite. (Water in from tank, out to skimmer)
I started with about 0.5L of Caribsea LSM sulfur media (65gal tank). Is it possible that I rinsed the sulfur too much and rinsed out all the seed bacteria? If so how long should I wait before worrying that something it not right?
Present nitrate level is same in reactor output as is in the tank = 80ppm. This should be giving the sulfur/bacteria plenty of food. to start the reaction going.
Thanks for help.....................Marc
 
If you used tap water to rinse the media, there's a good chance the chlorine affected the culture.
It will take longer to cycle.

Steve

:smokin:
 
mine still being a pain of course.. i added another gallon of LSM and seems to be WAY more fine than the last gallon.. i keep getting small fines plugging the outlet hose.. stopping the drip rate... i have washed it over and over.. just can not get rid of them for anything!!!!! anyway hopefully things get going soon.. water changes over and over cant get nitrates under 100.. sps are rtning faster than i can watch!!
 
Well, it looks like mine has finally started working. I still have it running isolated from the tank and now have a noticable decrease in Nitrate from the starting value. It is measuring between 2 and 5 ppm, so I plan on running it on a bucket of tank water to get the flowrate dialed in before putting it fully online.

Todd
 
Guys I am having some trouble dialing in my nitrate reactor. I have the drip date set at 1 drop/second and ran it for 3 days. My initial tank nitrates were 40 ppm. But now my nitrates of the output is higher than in put. The out put is at 80 ppm. It didnt make sense so I retested with 5 different nitrate test kits (2 API and 3 Salifert)...all of them gave higher nitrates in the output than in put. Should I open up and restart the cycle? I did not have any gas build up....which was not a surprise. Any help...if I should get new test kits? or something!
 
Increase the flow rate a bit, & check it for NO3 & NO2 the next day. the reactor need's time to catch up, after any adjustment to the flow rate.
You should see a drop in the NO3 rate from the reactor output, usually to O ppm. a slight NO2 reading may register, if so you can reduce the flow rate slightly until the NO2 is at O ppm. My NO2 was so low, I just let it cycle through the system. check the very first post in this thread, for more info on this.

I have had virtually no gas build up in my reactor, but that may be due to the different design I used (Phos Ban Reactor)

Patience, the correct amount of media, & monitoring the flow rate, will eventually get it dialed in.
I recently cleaned & re started mine after a 7 ~ 8 month run with no problem's. I added a second reactor just for the aragonite, so I can change it, without disturbing the sulphur media.
I recommend a small foam filter on the input line to the reactor. I found very little debris in the sulphur media when cleaning it, so the foam filter worked well.

these reactor's will affect your Ph & Alk. over long term use, it is important to monitor & adjust them accordingly.

Good luck & hang in there :p

Steve

:smokin:
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13903436#post13903436 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by moonyguy
Guys I am having some trouble dialing in my nitrate reactor. I have the drip date set at 1 drop/second and ran it for 3 days. My initial tank nitrates were 40 ppm. But now my nitrates of the output is higher than in put. The out put is at 80 ppm. It didnt make sense so I retested with 5 different nitrate test kits (2 API and 3 Salifert)...all of them gave higher nitrates in the output than in put. Should I open up and restart the cycle? I did not have any gas build up....which was not a surprise. Any help...if I should get new test kits? or something!

moony.............NO!!!! There is nothing wrong w/your kit(s)Keep your drip as is ....I know it doesn't make any sense.....BUT that is exactly what can happen...effluent trates HIGHER than the tank, that's what happened to me and sooner or later depending on our situation (all tanks are different as u know) it will get to Zero. If u checked for Nitrite u could even detect that...not worry as it to well go to zero...This could 3 days or it could take 2 or 3 WEEKS....As the cycle develops u will have gas @ the vent...To "see" this stick a short length of tubing on the fitting and place open end in a clear container, open valve slowly and when present u will get N2 bubbles....

As simple in principle as these seem the reactions occuring in them are or can be complex...but in the end u will be @ zero.

Keep posting your results as others are having the same issues,u can sure...

Dick
 
Thanks guys. I am going to be patient and wait it out. How often should I test the water Nitrates and Nitrites. This system had worked for me in the past so I totally believe in it. Just a matter of time I guess.
Vishnu
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13886352#post13886352 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Black71gp
mine still being a pain of course.. i added another gallon of LSM and seems to be WAY more fine than the last gallon.. i keep getting small fines plugging the outlet hose.. stopping the drip rate... i have washed it over and over.. just can not get rid of them for anything!!!!! anyway hopefully things get going soon.. water changes over and over cant get nitrates under 100.. sps are rtning faster than i can watch!!

Black71......

Man u are persistant :rollface: :rollface: Good for you. As I recall you go back in this project from the start of this thread by dj or close to it....we cannot let you fail...failure is not an option...where have we heard before??? any how : first plugging of your outlet, is there room on top of the media to add a second foam disc if so that could help, second u mentioned washing are u talking about the outlet valve or the media ??? if media this could be bad, as u recall we don't want to keep opening the SR, must keep it free of O2 as much as possible.

Have you ever forced the SR to make H2S ???? if not doing so might give us a clue as to what is going on in there. To do this simply shutoff feed water, close all valves and just let it run...... In 24 hours or so u will get or should get quite a skink @ vent valve check VERY carefully as that stuff (H2S) is BAD... now do this w/caution. If u do get H2S good...now just reset flow wide open for a day and it will be gone, then reset for 1 drop/sec... now I say good because that "shows" that you the right Bacteria in there to do the job...now if not............well we'll get to that after u make ias test...

Without going back on all your previous posts..r u running two reactors i don't recall and if so how r they setup ?? If one is full of ARM and effluent goes thru it to the tank u might want to consider this....take that second reactor remove ARM and fill it w/sulfur....you probably have some left over from setup and also u could take some out of your SR, that way the level in there will be lower allowing placement of that second foam to reduce plugging of outlet. Switch around your feed lines so that tank water goes into the "new" reactor then into your SR. Doing this will really lower the O2 getting to the SR and should speed up the cycling.

Your right...........with tank Nitrate as high as you got you can change water until your blue in face and trates will hit a wall in your case 100 PPM.....I know as mine hit the wall @ 120PPM... I think what happens is they (Nitrates) leach out of our rocks, substrate....u get the idea...

We might have other thoughts, but first one thing @ a time. Oh ya having said all that my SR is off line and has been for over a month and with "normal" water changes and what have u my trates are running between 0.00 and 3.00 PPM and tank looks great......so good luck and post your results...

Dick
 
This method has worked well for me, when I re-started the reactor. My cycling time was shorter, due to the sulphur already being seeded from before.

I doubled the amount of the "Midwest Sulphur" this time to 2 lbs. (1 litter) in the reactor. I may have to remove some in the future, but for now the reactor is up & running fine.

As for any "Sound Advice"? :confused:

I can recommend a slice of Apple pie, with your coffee ! :p

Dj is the authorial voice on this thread. I'm just following along with the rest of us.

I am gratefully however, that he has shared his reactor build, & experience with all of us.

Kudos :thumbsup:

Steve

:smokin:
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13872997#post13872997 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by williah
Anyone?

You may want to check on your Alk levels as this is known to lower when using sulfur as a media in a reactor.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13886352#post13886352 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Black71gp
mine still being a pain of course.. i added another gallon of LSM and seems to be WAY more fine than the last gallon.. i keep getting small fines plugging the outlet hose.. stopping the drip rate... i have washed it over and over.. just can not get rid of them for anything!!!!! anyway hopefully things get going soon.. water changes over and over cant get nitrates under 100.. sps are rtning faster than i can watch!!

hey man,

I was under the impression your nitrates were lowering since your last post on 11/28 when your nitrates were at 160. Now they're at 100...

am I correct?

I really don't understand the reasoning behind opening up the reactor and adding much more media at this point??

I would recommend you follow saltydog's advice on using a foam filter on top of your media to prevent the clogging your unit is experiencing now.

I wish you were closer so I could lend you a hand.

djfrankie
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13909335#post13909335 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by saltydog64
Steve....

Pass the pie and I'll have ice-cream on mine.....



See..now you guys are making me hungry :rollface:

Thanks for helping out guys!

djfrankie
 
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