DIY Sulfur Denitrator

I am trying to read through this entire thread from the beginning. I have two systems I want to employ this on. A clownfish broodstock system (80 Gallons - constant 50-60 PPM nitrate) and a clownfish growout. (120G - 80-120PPM nitrate). They aren't overly large systems, but they have a gigantic bioload because of the number of fish and the amount I feed them. Does this impact the size of the reactor I build. I'm looking at the slightly modified design of the first reactor in this thread with 4" pipe. Is that too big??
 
I am trying to read through this entire thread from the beginning. I have two systems I want to employ this on. A clownfish broodstock system (80 Gallons - constant 50-60 PPM nitrate) and a clownfish growout. (120G - 80-120PPM nitrate). They aren't overly large systems, but they have a gigantic bioload because of the number of fish and the amount I feed them. Does this impact the size of the reactor I build. I'm looking at the slightly modified design of the first reactor in this thread with 4" pipe. Is that too big??

Are other bio-filters installed?

For total 200gal
For BADES
At least +- 2gal of sulphur is needed when a 0 nitrate reactor effluent is desired + same quantity of calcium carbonate media. Flow will be very low during the first weeks of operation and difficult to manage. For aquaria with a nitrate level above 50ppm the use of 2%S is advised which will result in a higher flow less difficult to manage.
I can advice to do a water change of at least 30% just before connecting the reactor if only 1% of sulphur is used.

Used in fish only tanks calcium may build up as it is not consumed.

The desired nitrate level=? Daily nitrate production =?
Basic rule for BADES keeping a 0 nitrate reactor effluent and full control over the desired nitrate level: if the total volume of the system has to pass the reactor once a day or less to remove the daily nitrate production 1% S is needed . If the total volume of the system has to pass the reactor twice a day 2% is needed. And so on. Example: when the desired nitrate level is 1PPM and the daily production is 1.5PPM, the total volume has to pass the reactor 1.5 x each day to be able to remove the daily nitrate production daily. A 1.5% S reactor is needed.

When a 0 nitrate effluent is NOT desired:
To keep the nitrate level steady the daily production has to be removed daily, to lower the nitrate level only a bit more has to be removed. This results in a high flow and easy management.

For BADES any seawater save recipient or container which can be closed water tight can be used as a reactor.
 
Are other bio-filters installed?

For total 200gal
For BADES
At least +- 2gal of sulphur is needed when a 0 nitrate reactor effluent is desired + same quantity of calcium carbonate media. Flow will be very low during the first weeks of operation and difficult to manage. For aquaria with a nitrate level above 50ppm the use of 2%S is advised which will result in a higher flow less difficult to manage.
I can advice to do a water change of at least 30% just before connecting the reactor if only 1% of sulphur is used.

Used in fish only tanks calcium may build up as it is not consumed.

The desired nitrate level=? Daily nitrate production =?
Basic rule for BADES keeping a 0 nitrate reactor effluent and full control over the desired nitrate level: if the total volume of the system has to pass the reactor once a day or less to remove the daily nitrate production 1% S is needed . If the total volume of the system has to pass the reactor twice a day 2% is needed. And so on. Example: when the desired nitrate level is 1PPM and the daily production is 1.5PPM, the total volume has to pass the reactor 1.5 x each day to be able to remove the daily nitrate production daily. A 1.5% S reactor is needed.

When a 0 nitrate effluent is NOT desired:
To keep the nitrate level steady the daily production has to be removed daily, to lower the nitrate level only a bit more has to be removed. This results in a high flow and easy management.

For BADES any seawater save recipient or container which can be closed water tight can be used as a reactor.

I have live rock and an algae scrubber (not working well, which is why I want to try this sulfur reactor).
 
I have live rock and an algae scrubber (not working well, which is why I want to try this sulfur reactor).

In your case I would start up the reactor using a bucket or other recipient filled with water containing 120PPM nitrate from the system. This way the reactors can be conditioned without any influence on the system and the processes can easily be followed and monitored. The water must have the same temp as the aquarium so a small heater is necessary. A new user can build up some experience with the reactor before connecting it to the system. Use the water from water changes to condition the reactor. it will take+- 20 days. ( the cleaned water can eventually be reused)
As the reactor has internal circulation the reactor has not to be a tube or column although the width should not be more than the hight.
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update

update

It is a long time ago when the article from djfrankie ( http://www.reefkeeping.com/issues/2009-01/diy/ ) about this DIY was published. The DIY project results in a good usable reactor, usable for a lot of different applications where a moving bed reactor may be applied. In this case a sulphur denitrator. Frankie explains not only the construction of the reactor but also how to use it of which a lot has been discussed in this thread.
Frankie advises in his article to use 0.72litre sulphur fot a 120 gal aquarium, 120 gal x 0.006 which results in a very small reactor. 120 Gal = 450 litre. The article references to M.Longouet, one of the investigators who published the MAAO system. http://www.baharini.eu/baharini/doku.php?id=en:badess:bades:maao . M longouet uses a flow of +- 2-3 liter/h/ litre sulphur for a 1 % reactor, up to 5liter/h/litre sulphur. Hignette, director of the MAAO, publishes that denitrification takes place at a flow of 10l/h/litre sulphur. Frankie advises to keep it conservative at max 3-4 liter/liter sulphur. He does NOT advise to keep the reactor anoxic.
This means for the 120 gal aquarium ( 450littre) a flow of max 2.88 l/h based on .72 litre sulphur or max 69 litre a day. At a nitrate level of 1 ppm this reactor can remove max 69 mg nitrate daily. The daily nitrate production in a 120 gal mixed reef system may be estimated to be +- 1.5 ppm daily or for a 120 gal aquarium +- 625 mg or 10x the amount which can be removed by the reactor daily. Frankie states that trying to lower nitrates in a system with 50 ppm or above nitrate levels can be long and frustrating. it certainly will be because when the reactor is measured following the directives it would be impossible as the calculations show. The reactor will stop lowering the level at a nitrate concentration of +- 10ppm. for this example.
A 1% reactor may remove 432 mg nitrate daily at a flow of 4l/h/litre sulphur, also not enough to reach a level of 1ppm. The flow must increase or the reactor must be bigger ? A 1% reactor will easily keep the level at 2ppm and even lower as 1ppm at a higher flow.
Frankie advises to combine matrix with the sulphur and has good results. At a low nitrate level and high flow this seems acceptable but why using expensive matrix when better results may be achieved using only cheap sulphur? What is it what bacteria are able to do on matrix what they can not on sulphur?
It is a fact that people who read the article of Frankie and follow all the directives will end up with a nice looking and fine working reactor which is probably to small for the job. The reactor can be used with good results in a low nutrient system but why do we need a sulphur reactor in a low nutrient system?
A reactor build by the directives of the article will be a fine BADES-reactor. All info about BADES is available and can be discussed: http://www.baharini.eu/baharini/doku.php?id=en:badess:start http://www.baharini.eu/baharini/doku.php?id=en:makazi:introductie_bades
 
Bades

Bades

hi can any one till me if a surfer reactor will work to bring down nitrate levels thanks

All info about denitrification and about using sulphur, the different applications of the BADES process, can be found in the Makazi Baharini wiki http://www.baharini.eu/baharini/doku.php?id=en:badess:start. One has to register to visit other pages. The original pages are in Dutch, some pages are translated in English.
With BADES one can remove as much nitrate as desired.
When BADES- columns are used a reactor is not needed. http://www.baharini.eu/baharini/doku.php?id=en:badess:bades_bio_filter#spc_system
 
help

help

All info about denitrification and about using sulphur, the different applications of the BADES process, can be found in the Makazi Baharini wiki http://www.baharini.eu/baharini/doku.php?id=en:badess:start. One has to register to visit other pages. The original pages are in Dutch, some pages are translated in English.
With BADES one can remove as much nitrate as desired.
When BADES- columns are used a reactor is not needed. http://www.baharini.eu/baharini/doku.php?id=en:badess:bades_bio_filter#spc_system


So I went here http://www.baharini.eu/baharini/doku.php?id=en:badess:bades_bio_filter#spc_system but I don't see a detailed procedure with pics about how to build this. Every time I click on the hyperlinks in Baharini's wiki, I get redirected to a page that says "This topic does not exist yet"

I really need to build this thing. My nitrates are crazy high. It's just a mater of time before everything in my saltwater aquarium starts dying.

Is there a detailed procedure on how to build this from scratch? something like this ---> http://www.reefkeeping.com/issues/2009-01/diy/[url] help !
 
So I went here http://www.baharini.eu/baharini/doku.php?id=en:badess:bades_bio_filter#spc_system but I don't see a detailed procedure with pics about how to build this. Every time I click on the hyperlinks in Baharini's wiki, I get redirected to a page that says "This topic does not exist yet"

I really need to build this thing. My nitrates are crazy high. It's just a mater of time before everything in my saltwater aquarium starts dying.

Is there a detailed procedure on how to build this from scratch? something like this ---> http://www.reefkeeping.com/issues/2...ing.com/issues/2009-01/diy"]the previous link can be used, or the guide lines for the DIY project in this Thread, or an other DIY project on the internet. To make a moving bed bio-reactor one just need a container which can be closed watertight., a plastic bottle will do, two filter patches to hold the media in place and a small circulation pump for internal circulation. The pump must be the lowest part to prevent build-up of gasses in the pump. As the system is not pressurized even a PET bottle can be used. One can make it as expensive as one want it to be. Any commercial reactor with internal circulation will do as long the circulation pump is not on top. Very important: The reactor must be big enough!

To use SPC http://www.baharini.eu/baharini/doku.php?id=en:badess:bades_bio_filter#spc_system one does not need a container or reactor as the BADES columns may be hanged up anywhere where is water circulation, the use of a refuge is recommended if more control over the removal rate is wanted. More info about BADES-columns is available on the Dutch pages http://www.baharini.eu/baharini/doku.php?id=nl:badess:bades:bades-kolommen This page may be translated to English soon.

The difference between a sulphur denitrator and a BADES reactor is just the way they are managed.
In BADES-reactors the flow is not limited with the intention to keep the reactor anoxic .
In the MAAO system, explained by M.Longouet, flow is NOT limited with the intention to keep the reactor anoxic! http://www.baharini.eu/baharini/doku.php?id=en:badess:bades:maao

A BADES biofilm reactor is used the same way a normal Bio-reactor is used, only the flow is managed in a way to find a balance between nitrification and mixotropic denitrification. DO in the effluent may be +- 2ppm.
http://www.baharini.eu/baharini/doku.php?id=en:badess:bades_bio-film_reactor

The effluent of bio-reactors must be aerated! This can be done by the skimmer.
 
if you want to build a bio-reactor the previous link can be used, or the guide lines for the DIY project in this Thread, or an other DIY project on the internet. To make a moving bed bio-reactor one just need a container which can be closed watertight., a plastic bottle will do, two filter patches to hold the media in place and a small circulation pump for internal circulation. The pump must be the lowest part to prevent build-up of gasses in the pump. As the system is not pressurized even a PET bottle can be used. One can make it as expensive as one want it to be. Any commercial reactor with internal circulation will do as long the circulation pump is not on top. Very important: The reactor must be big enough!

To use SPC http://www.baharini.eu/baharini/doku.php?id=en:badess:bades_bio_filter#spc_system one does not need a container or reactor as the BADES columns may be hanged up anywhere where is water circulation, the use of a refuge is recommended if more control over the removal rate is wanted. More info about BADES-columns is available on the Dutch pages http://www.baharini.eu/baharini/doku.php?id=nl:badess:bades:bades-kolommen This page may be translated to English soon.

The difference between a sulphur denitrator and a BADES reactor is just the way they are managed.
In BADES-reactors the flow is not limited with the intention to keep the reactor anoxic .
In the MAAO system, explained by M.Longouet, flow is NOT limited with the intention to keep the reactor anoxic! http://www.baharini.eu/baharini/doku.php?id=en:badess:bades:maao

A BADES biofilm reactor is used the same way a normal Bio-reactor is used, only the flow is managed in a way to find a balance between nitrification and mixotropic denitrification. DO in the effluent may be +- 2ppm.
http://www.baharini.eu/baharini/doku.php?id=en:badess:bades_bio-film_reactor

The effluent of bio-reactors must be aerated! This can be done by the skimmer.

Great info. Thanks. Gonna take a close look.

In Frank's reactor, in his instructions he says "The only daily adjustment you have to make is to degass the system from the top valve. About 5 seconds."

I thought these reactors were the set-and-forget type of devices. I'm looking for a minimum maintenance reactor. Maybe change the sulfur media every 2 years but that's it.

About the other one, the BADES biofilm reactor, do you also have to degass it daily? What happens if I go on vacation for a week? Sorry if this question may sound stupid for the experienced aquarist, I'm new to all this.
 
Great info. Thanks. Gonna take a close look.

In Frank's reactor, in his instructions he says "The only daily adjustment you have to make is to degass the system from the top valve. About 5 seconds."

I thought these reactors were the set-and-forget type of devices. I'm looking for a minimum maintenance reactor. Maybe change the sulfur media every 2 years but that's it.

About the other one, the BADES biofilm reactor, do you also have to degass it daily? What happens if I go on vacation for a week? Sorry if this question may sound stupid for the experienced aquarist, I'm new to all this.

in't fFank's reactor managed as a denitrator?
M;Longouet ( MAAO method) used tube reactors without internal circulation. The OMZ (oxygen minimum zone) is created in the top of the reactor. Degassing is sometimes necessary.
Due to to high flow rate in a BADES reactor compared to a typical anoxic kept denitrator and the internal circulation, the gasses will not accumulate in top of the reactor. Although it is always good to add the possibility for degassing at the highest point. Only when a high nitrate level has to be reduced in a short period degassing will be necessary. Doing this is not advised. For decreasing the nitrate level only a bit more as the daily nitrate production must be removed daily and it is better the spread the level reduction over a long period.

A BADES reactor is suitable for removing a relative high daily production while maintaining a low nitrate level, when the daily production is more than the desired water content. For example to maintain a nitrate level of 1ppm while producing 2ppm daily the reactor must be able to handle a flow of at least 2x the total system volume daily.

A BADES biofilm reactor is not a denitrator, it is a Bio which simultaneous reduces ammonia and removes the produced nitrate, the flow rate is a lot higher. No degassing is needed but aerating the effluent is very important.
Using BADES columns ( SPC) there is no need for degassing other than circulation.


BADES Systems are not suitable for LNS or VLNS systems as enough ammonium must be produced to keep everything going. The system is able to support a considerable increase of the carrying capacity of the system and bioload while maintaining a very low nitrate level.

One will have to maintenance the calcium carbonate consumption, fill it up and clean it , at least every six months, if the media used does not clog together. A monthly check up is advised. As a reactor has moving parts ( pump) it needs normal regular supervision.
Using BADES columns there are no moving parts but a regular refreshment and cleaning of a roll is normal housekeeping.
 
Love all this information
But do you guys have any sketch or plans of all these reactors??

An example of recipients which can be used for a reactor DIY project. In this case bottles used for commercialising fish food. Such bottles are strong enough and very cheap . They have a big lid for easy access.Fitting patches is easy. An in- and out line and a small circulation pump if necessary. That is all.
Bottles of 2; 4 and 5 litres
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https://www.flickr.com/gp/101132098@N03/m43A3k
https://www.flickr.com/gp/101132098@N03/L2X9wy
 
An example of recipients which can be used for a reactor DIY project. In this case bottles used for commercialising fish food. Such bottles are strong enough and very cheap . They have a big lid for easy access.Fitting patches is easy. An in- and out line and a small circulation pump if necessary. That is all.
Bottles of 2; 4 and 5 litres
oht941
,
m43A3k


https://www.flickr.com/gp/101132098@N03/m43A3k
https://www.flickr.com/gp/101132098@N03/L2X9wy


Hi Belgian Anthias,

So the difference between a normal sulfur denitrator and the BADES system is just the flow rate going through the reactor? A higher flow rate that keeps the reactor not anoxic is the goal for BADESS?

Also, I could also just place some sulfur media inside a mesh bag in the sump and it would function similarly as well but not as controlled? Is that correct?
 
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Hi Belgian Anthias,

So the difference between a normal sulfur denitrator and the BADES system is just the flow rate going through the reactor? A higher flow rate that keeps the reactor not anoxic is the goal for BADESS?

Also, I could also just place some sulfur media inside a mesh bag in the sump and it would function similarly as well but not as controlled? Is that correct?

Not exactly. The reactor must be big enough . A mesh bag must have the right dimensions. One can also use two filter pads.
I have answered this question.

All info about a BADESS: http://www.baharini.eu/baharini/doku.php?id=en:badess:start
 
Why BADES

Why BADES

Why installing an autotrophic denitrification capacity using elemental sulphur?

Why nitrates may build up in a well lit aquarium and are not used up by photo-autotrops? Insufficient supply of other building materials may be the reason.

When food is consumed most of the nitrogen is released as ammonia and urea and organic waste. The same time a skimmer removes continuously part of the organics (building materials) in a very selective way leaving polar and hydrophilic compounds behind for remineralisation, the production of building materials. During remineralisation most organic carbon is transformed to inorganic carbon to be reused by autotrophs. But the photo-autotrophs are not able to assimilate the nitrate- nitrogen as the building materials needed are continuously removed.
Ammonia is constantly used by heterotrops and other organisms to grow, and by autotrophs for energy. To reduce the same amount of ammonium the heterotrophs need 40x more building materials as the autotrophs need for nitrification.

The first thing we have to do when starting up an aquarium is installing the carrying capacity which is based on the ability to reduce ammonium. Most reefers have banned the biofilter this way limiting the carrying capacity and lost the comfort of easy adjustment of the carrying capacity.
The second thing to do should be installing the capacity to export the nitrogen overproduction, this when a skimmer is used. This second step is by most reefers looked over and they will try to find a solution when confronted with the fact a skimmer creates unbalance.
Not doing the second step leads to the question: What to do with the nitrate produced by a biofilter? Was it solved it by removing the bio filter!?

When on fora the question is repeated " What to do with nitrates?" the first response will be " try vodka dosing"
But as the reason for nitrate build up is in most cases insufficient supply of some building materials where will the building materials come from to support the fast heterotrophic growth induced by vodka dosing? Well, they will outcompete most organisms who where using the ammonium and building materials before dosing messing up the created balance and most important will remove the installed autotrophic carrying capacity. Bacteria prefer ammonia- nitrogen for fast growth. And heterotrophic assimilation does not remove the nitrogen from the system but stores it for later reuse.
This is not what I want!

In the second step one has to decide what to do with nitrogen overproduction.
Provide the building materials needed for photo-autotrophic growth for supporting the system or for removal by harvesting?
Or are we going to remove the nitrogen directly as nitrogen gas? Or both?

We where looking for a way to export nitrogen overproduction and the same time will give full control over the nitrate level and make it possible to close the nitrogen cycle in the system The presence of nitrate is very important for the biological balance in a closed system.
We found the solution in autotrophic nitrate reduction by sulphur bacteria.
As we where looking out for a safe and reliable way to use the BADES process we have deleted anoxic kept denitrators from the possible solutions.
Starting from the MAAO method and the knowledge in any biofilm denitrification can take place our research lead us to the application of sulphur columns and a BADES biofilm reactor.

All info about a BADESS: http://www.baharini.eu/baharini/doku.php?id=en:badess:start

A reactor as proposed in this building project can be used in a BADES System. The condition is that the reactor is NOT kept anoxic and the reactor is big enough to support the system.
 
Pressure.

Pressure.

Hi, can someone explain about De-gas process?
Do we need to do it everyday?

I mean, I use to own a Sulphur Reactor, from company called KORAL or something. I don't remember seeing a de-gas valve or instruction about to performing a de-gas.

I am trying to do a DIY version this time.

But it needed, does anyone ever found out the pressure inside the reactor?
I mean, can we use Hot-water Pressure Relieve valve to de-gas it?

I got a few titanium pressure relief valve... of 10bars.
But it can also be order in all spec of pressure from 1bar up to 10bars.

I figure, if we could use this, wouldn't it be released it own gas from time to time once the pressure build up high enough?
 
I used to own one too.
I had to de-gas every other day,
I had a j-quest valve fitting
On top of the Lid ,
The idea of a degassing valve is great
But I don't know if the pressure inside will reach 1 bar or not before causing
Damage to the reactor,
.
If you are able to install it
Is a great feature,
 
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