do feather duster worms spawn?

sculptthis

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A piece of my live rock has always had worms on it with feather dusters coming out of them. This moring a few of them have stringing cob web looking stuff coming out of them. I also now have many more of these worms throughout the tank and even one on the glass. Can anyone tell me what this is and if it is a good or bad thing? Thanks-
 
so they have the tube and then on the end there is the fan correct? and then sometimes a little stringy thing will poke out of the middle? Yes these are just feather dusters..not sure what kind, as theres a fair few different varieties, but they're not harmfull to anything...they just filter feed i believe, (or they just catch stuff floating..dont know if those are considered the same or not..)which is why they're spreading on the glass...there must be plenty of stuff that they're filtering thru :) (they can spread fairly quickly...i've got a few on a rock that didnt have any about a week ago..)

A few things may be harmful to them tho, such as arrow crabs i think...i thought that i heard they will eat them sometimes...and there's a few fish too i believe...
 
The LR was always covered with thin long white tubes. A few months ago white fans popped out. They go back in the tube when disturebed. Last night I encreased my calcium to optimal perameters for the first time since I have had the tank. (set up last october). I also got the nitrates to drop to 15 from 40. All other tests did not require ajustment. Within 5 hours the tank was going crazy. Long spider web looking things were coming out of the "worms" where the fans used to be. Worms appear to be all over the place. I have beautiful bright red algae growing on the underside of several LR's, I have green algae growing on the top of several LR and I have a few spots of black algae growing on a couple of LR. I am hoping that my tank has just come to life in a good way but I am concerned that evrything is changing very rapidly. I am not sure if I need to do something to balance out all of the new growth.

75 gallon
20 gal wet/dry sump
protien skimmer
lots of LS and LR
1 10inch dogface
1 naughty lemon damsel
1 cinamin clown
1 1 royal dotyback
the puffer is so nice that I just tried adding 1 mushroom and 1 coral and 1 striped dragonet to see if I can turn this into a reef.

The puffer is happy and leaving everything alone. Despite my 2 year old cries to stop yelling at Buckle and to keep buckle, the Lemon damsel has got to go.

I would greatly appreciate any input!!
 
do they look like this>?
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or this

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note:first picture from WWM and second is from RK mag
 
ONE QUESTION: how did you change all of the parameters? just water changes? did you effect the alk or calcium levels? additives?

could be bad if you suddenly shocked the system by "making the water better" . Slow and gradual is usually the best way to help the inhabitants adjust to the new environment. Ill wait for a detail of your actions-
 
I read the artical. These definitly are vermetis snails. They might have come out to feed becuase of the new food I was giving to my new striped dragonet.

I increased the calcium by adding kalk. I put in probably 1 tsp premixed over about a 2 hour period. I reduce the nitrates by working on my sump. untill recently I had expert help doing most everything on my aquarium. I finally got brave enough to start playing down below. (for 2 weeks I have been trying to control the nitrates with sugar but finally realized I needed to address the source) The air tube on my skimmer was in the water thus making it usless. The entire left side of my sump, skimmer, and tube that returns the water to my tank was filled with protien junk. I took everythinmg apart including the tubes and removed all of the skum. I did not mess at all with the wet/dry bioball section on the right. I took 2.5 gallons of water out of the left side and replaced it with fresh saltwater. I put the skimmer back properly so that the air tube was out of the water and it imediatly started collecting a lot of stuff. I new I was doing long overdue maintaince but did not realize it would be too much. It did make my puffer quite agatated for a while but I did not know if this was becuase of the water quality or becuase I removed a large artificial coral from the tank. But I do imagine that you are right about make the water better too fast. Hopefully this will never happen agian as I am now quite familiar with my setup and no longer scared to touch it. Any thoughts of how I should proceed?
 
Several points to mention...

My vsnails release their fishing lines when I do any sort of disturbance in the tank where something gets into the water column... esp, when I blast my LR with a turkey baster. I even have one living on a snail.. it's pretty cool...

You can't shortcut nitrate reduction. You have to export nitrates with LR and careful feedings. Also, water changes do reduce nitrates, but can't rid you of nitrates. You always approach zero, but you can never reach it. Your feedings, skimming, and LR to water ratio should be sufficient so that the total effect on the system is zero nitrates -- for a reef tank. Sounds like you have a Fish Only with Live Rock.. Nitrates don't need to be zero in that case, but as low as possible.

Calcium and Alk need to be monitored in tandem. I've never used Kalk, but use a two part system instead. Makes it easy to dose. Get your levels set (I like 4.5 meq/L Alk and 450-500 ppm Ca), then test alk (easy test) and add enough alk to get it up to the proper level and add the same of the calc part (this works because alk and calc are used in tandem in depositing coral skeletons). So, you'll want to check your alkalinity level too, not just calcium...

Wet/Dry setups are going the way of the dinosaur. You're better off with LR/ LR rubble in these areas for nitrate redux. (Bioballs don't harbor the bacteria that break down nitrates). WD setups are considered 'Nitrate Factories' because they can harbor bacteria that converts ammonia and nitrite to nitrate, but can't harbor bacteria that breaks down the nitrate.

It's not recommended to use freshly mixed salt water in an aquarium. It's best to 'age' the water in a large container 24 hours with a powerhead for circulation and heater to match the temp. Freshly mixed salt water is caustic.

I recommend getting a book on the subject. 'The Conscienscious Marine Aquarist' is a great book.
 
A couple of other things about that book... any marine book, really.. You can disregard any mention of undergravel filters -- they just aren't used anymore. And the wet/dry setups as I mentioned previously...

Also, get yourself a refractometer type salinity tester if you don't have one. The floating flange type are notoriously inaccurate, calibrated wrong most of the time, and hopelessly difficult to use (trying to get those microbubbles off the flange for an accurate reading can be a pain).
 
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I have been thinking about getting a refractometer. I used to use one to do testing at work and didn't know if non-hospital grade would be as accurate.

In your opinion should I let my tank be or should I increase my cleaner crew? I have only a few clams and snails from when I first set up my tank.
 
you should always have a sufficient clean-up crew.. tbsaltwater recommends:


1 Serpent or Brittle star per 50 gal.
2 Tiger Tail Cucumbers per 50 gal.
1 Blue Leg Hermits per gal.
1 Peppermint shrimp per 50 gal.
1/2 Turbo Snail per gal.

But I know their estimate has to be quite high. Also, cukes can expel the contents of their stomachs if provoked which can cause problems, so I'd avaoid them. I have about 3 snails and 2 hermits in my 20 gal tank, but I don't have any fish, so I don't feed daily. The corals I feed once a week mysis and every few days a drop of two of bio-plankton.
Some people avoid hermits cause they tend to kill snails to try their shells on. Anyone else wanna chime in on this?
 
I love my blue legged hermits. When I had a lot I did wittnes some shell stealing. My LFS encouraged my not to buy any more cleaning crew untill I knew the puffer wouldn't eat them but I think it is time. I am counting the minute untill I can get back to my tank. I have to work for three more hours and really reaaly hope the damsel didn't destroy everything before I had a chance to get her out.
 
I need to go to the lfs but am going to have a really difficult time not purchasing a beautiful 3 colored closed brain coral that they have. Would it be really bad to add another item to my tank right now?
 
yes, you really need to work on your husbandry at the moment in regards to your calc/alk levels (esp. when adding corals) and nitrate should be undetectable. I want to remember you said you had a 'professional' take care of your tank up until a month ago?

It is suggested that poeple have only Live rock and sand in their tanks until they develop their husbandry skills (and possibly a cleanup crew). Read this:

http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=249112&highlight=maturity

You may want to go to Garf.org and think about getting some garf grunge to boost your biodiversity...


Right now in my 20g I have 2 hermits, 3 snails, and about 10 lbs of LR (and a couple of salvaged corals) I got from a friend's tank crash... I'm moving to a new place in a month, so I can't buy a single thing until then... I'm dying to buy stuff and I visit the petstore on my lunch sometimes to plan my tank out for when I get in the new place...

FYI, my avatar is the last tank I had before my previous move...

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I love doing this myself......... I am losing a ton of sleep, losing a ton of money, everytime I think I have made a big accomplishment I encounter a whole new set of situations to figure out................ But absolutly loving every moment.
 
I do that a few times a week. All of my dining and bar stools are circled around the tank for my daughter, kitty, cat, and I to view. Who needs TV? I do however at some point need to start putting the dishes and laundry back into my rountine.............
 
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