Do I have too many fish?
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ReefJerk
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Just throw a Naso and a Vlamingi in there while you're at it. You'll upgrade soon, so may as well. And, large Angels are so pretty. Put a Majestic, Blue-Ring and a Queenie in there... All of you bashing PHurst know good and well there is no way that noob should have those fish in a tank that small. Come on. And, that Live Aquaria "buy this fish from us no matter what size tank you have" link is useless.
phurst-good on you mate!
I'm sure those tangs will do well when he upgrades. Many people say they will have a tang then trade them when get too big for their tanks but i really couldnt let my pets go when they get too big -i'd def have to upgrade for sure. Seems the guy at your club has money to throw away. Good advice on the blennie. Mot sure if the OP wants it for algae control or not?
I'm sure those tangs will do well when he upgrades. Many people say they will have a tang then trade them when get too big for their tanks but i really couldnt let my pets go when they get too big -i'd def have to upgrade for sure. Seems the guy at your club has money to throw away. Good advice on the blennie. Mot sure if the OP wants it for algae control or not?
reefergeorge
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I just like this post.. Add the blenny he will be a good addition.
As for I'll upgrade when the fish gets to big for my tank. I have a friend that has had a 4-5" sailfin in his 75 for 4 years. He grew from 2" to about 4" in the first year then stopped. So IME your fish will never outgrow your tank. So be happy stunting there growth. Anyone that has seen an adult yellow tang wouldn't put it in a 75.
jbird69
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ctniners
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Ok, thanks for all your inputs.
This whole thing reminds me of people that love to eat beef and chicken but can not stand the thought of a slaughter house or a chicken farm......if you are going to keep wild caught animals, dont criticize how others keep them, its not like I have a full grown tang in a 30 gal tank like the LFS, I know I am not the only person in this hobby that spends hours upon hours and lots of money making sure our pieces of echo systems we have put together are able to thrive, if I tell you I am planning to upgrade is because that is what I am planning to do.....
The purpose of the blenny is because I think they are very entertaining animals, I do not have an algea problem, but that is an additional benefit.
Thanks for your inputs guys.
This whole thing reminds me of people that love to eat beef and chicken but can not stand the thought of a slaughter house or a chicken farm......if you are going to keep wild caught animals, dont criticize how others keep them, its not like I have a full grown tang in a 30 gal tank like the LFS, I know I am not the only person in this hobby that spends hours upon hours and lots of money making sure our pieces of echo systems we have put together are able to thrive, if I tell you I am planning to upgrade is because that is what I am planning to do.....
The purpose of the blenny is because I think they are very entertaining animals, I do not have an algea problem, but that is an additional benefit.
Thanks for your inputs guys.
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paraletho
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One of the last additions in our 125 was a Yellow-eyed Kole Tang. A very peaceful tank as a whole so I couldn't figure out why the Kole didn't like the Lawnmower. After watching the other tangs it became apparent. The Orange Shoulder and the Sailfin like to nip at the rocks and the OS also likes to eat sand and deposit all over my corals like a #&*@ parrotfish. The YKT on the other hand likes to find flat surfaces covered with film algaae and kiss it off exactly what the Lawnmower prefers to do. The other evening the YKT must have caught the Lawnmower feeding high up on the back glass and rushed him from underneath. RIP LMB he went up and out the back of the tank. I don't have any personal experience with Hippos and Yellows, but watching others that have them I don't think you will have a problem. Feed some sheets of Nori every once and a while and the blenny will pick up the small scraps that get away.
tkeracer619
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The blenny should be a good addition. Also look at starry blennies. They are really cool as well. The tangs will be fine as long as they are small.
I think when someone mentions that you have a tang in too small of a tank through the internet a lot is lost in the posting. Yes those fish are too big of a species for a 75g tank. Saying they are not is arguably false but some will argue till the end of the day that it is fine. Both sides use statements like "we took them from billions of gallons so a 55 is no different then a 2000" or "would you like to live in your bathroom your whole life". In the end you still have a large fish in a small tank. It is more then just size constraints when choosing minimum sizes for fish. You have to be able to feed them and not crash the tank. You have to leave room for aggression. The heavier you stock the more prone you are to disease and tangs happen to be disease magnet.
When you post in a public forum you should expect some of this but it doesn't mean that person is right. What it means is someone is passionate enough about the animals they keep to speak up in public forum when someone keeps them in a tank that as a whole is too large for a species. The fish in question might not be too large but eventually, if it lives long enough, it will outgrow the tank. I have a blue tang in a 20g nano. Is this wrong? No its not. Why is it not a problem? The fish is the size of a dime. Will it live long in that tank, nope it is just temporary and once it reaches a little larger size it has a 1500g tank to go in.
A ton of people never upgrade that say they do. The proper way to go about it is to purchase and QT the fish after you have the setup. Sometimes we don't do things in the proper order but as long as it works for us and we don't kill fish due to improper setups then everything is fine. The real problem you created for yourself is not that you have a powder brown in a 75 but that you already have your last addition to your larger tank before you own it. Once you add the PBrown to the large system and give it a chance to hold territory odds are it will try to kill any tangs you add after. That type of tang needs to go in last as they can be very aggressive.
Actually they seem to be very comfortable in a 1000 gallon aquarium. They get fed heavy and have zero predators. Once you get to that size the rules start to change.
I think when someone mentions that you have a tang in too small of a tank through the internet a lot is lost in the posting. Yes those fish are too big of a species for a 75g tank. Saying they are not is arguably false but some will argue till the end of the day that it is fine. Both sides use statements like "we took them from billions of gallons so a 55 is no different then a 2000" or "would you like to live in your bathroom your whole life". In the end you still have a large fish in a small tank. It is more then just size constraints when choosing minimum sizes for fish. You have to be able to feed them and not crash the tank. You have to leave room for aggression. The heavier you stock the more prone you are to disease and tangs happen to be disease magnet.
When you post in a public forum you should expect some of this but it doesn't mean that person is right. What it means is someone is passionate enough about the animals they keep to speak up in public forum when someone keeps them in a tank that as a whole is too large for a species. The fish in question might not be too large but eventually, if it lives long enough, it will outgrow the tank. I have a blue tang in a 20g nano. Is this wrong? No its not. Why is it not a problem? The fish is the size of a dime. Will it live long in that tank, nope it is just temporary and once it reaches a little larger size it has a 1500g tank to go in.
A ton of people never upgrade that say they do. The proper way to go about it is to purchase and QT the fish after you have the setup. Sometimes we don't do things in the proper order but as long as it works for us and we don't kill fish due to improper setups then everything is fine. The real problem you created for yourself is not that you have a powder brown in a 75 but that you already have your last addition to your larger tank before you own it. Once you add the PBrown to the large system and give it a chance to hold territory odds are it will try to kill any tangs you add after. That type of tang needs to go in last as they can be very aggressive.
Actually they seem to be very comfortable in a 1000 gallon aquarium. They get fed heavy and have zero predators. Once you get to that size the rules start to change.
ctniners
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Geez, I dont want to make this a tang Thread, but your logic really isnt right, if somebody tells me can you live happily for the rest of your life in a mansion with few friendly people in a 1,000 acre space, and never have to do nothing I may say heck yes, but if you dont give me an option and you come with the cops and one day you just put me there I dont think I would like it very much, they are animals I know, but you are removing a life from its natural habitat, his school of fish, his home, and you are shipping him and send him to a whole different system.....we do not have pieces of the ocean in our home, we create our own eco-systems and we try to simulate the ocean to our liking as much as possible, the rules dont change just because its a bigger tank, either speak out for the species and dont collect them as trophies or dont criticize other people......instead, go out there and complaint about the collection of these animals, dont keep them unless they are tank bread.....regardless......I'd say only about 2% of the people here in RC can say they have a 1,000 + gallon Aquariums......thanks for your inputs, no matter how much we know about this hobby its always good to get inputs.
firedude33
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I think a lawnmower blenny would have no problems in there. As long as all your water perams stay fine, add what you want.
Imzadi
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One of my fav fish in my 55g tank. I have a sand-sifting, and a lawnmower. One keeps the ground clean, and the other keeps the grass cut. I don't have a clean-up crew, I have a groundskeepers! lol
Serpent Star to keep the septic system, and a Orange Star on the windows.
I ain't a reefkeeper... I run a maid service here!
Toddrtrex
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And I said I was going to upgrade 5 years ago, and it still hasn't happened. Life will often get in the way.
Unless you have the bigger tank in your place, but not running yet, you should only stock for what you currently have.
TorisFishes
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Add the blenny, keep tangs if your upgrading to at least a 90 gallon imo
nikon187
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Sardaukar
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He already has the fish and if his worst husbandry crime is keeping 2 small tangs in a 75 gallon tank, then he will be doing better than 95% of newbies and you know that. Its not a good long term home for them, and many people plan an upgrade and can't follow through, but this setup is hardly a lasting crime against the natural world. At least he is concerned about his fish stocking level before he has 40 fish in there.
Add your lawnmower blenny, enjoy the aquarium and if you truly care about your fish, start plans (such as putting 50+ bucks away every month) for a larger tank. Sites like cragslist are a good place to find large used tanks - I see used 6 foot 125gallon/180gallon setups on in the bay area several times a month for very reasonable prices.
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