Dont know what else to do, im at a complete loss!

JMLewis

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I apologize ahead of time for the long read

Ok so ive been doing hours and hours of research trying to find out what the heck is wrong with my tank and to no avail.

I have a predominately SPS tank. I recently (in November) upgraded from a 55g to a 100g RR tank. I used all my same live rock after thoroughly rinsing in freshly made SW. Purchased new coral rubble for "sand bed" which is roughly 1.5-2 inches deep. I dose roughly 85ml a day of BRS 2 part via dosing pumps. Ive ran GFO and GAC since day one via TLF reactors. Its powered by 2 250w Radium MHs.

PH - 8.05 - 8.3
CA - 410
Alk - 9.3
MG - 1380
Po4 - 0.0 according to Hanna Checker
Nitrate - Dont have a test kit.

So theres a lil info on the tank.

The tank was doing AMAZING, awesome color. Corals were growing at astonishing rates i was happy as could be.

Heres where the problem starts...

Around 2 months ago i decided since everything was so great id make a couple hour trip out to Vivid Aquariums in LA and get some great (expensive) frags that ive been wanting to get for a while now.

I purchased 6 or so frags, and a 2lb piece of live rock from there bin. It was pretty flat and sorta looked like concrete but had small shell impressions in various places so i though nothing of it. I brought it all home and i cut the LR into 3 pieces to make into "shelves" that i glued to each side of my overflow.

Later that night i noticed one of the frags i had just purchased that day that was perfectly healthy and encrusted onto the plug was suddenly half dead from the bottom up. I thought maybe i hand handled it wrong or something but the next morning 3 of the frags were all bare skeleton. So i immediately tested all my parameters and everything checked out.

Long story shorter...

Since then i have lost all of the corals that i purchased since the move in November. The ones that were older had gone through such bad water parameters from previous tank that they dont even look phased...

I took the rock out that i had bought from Vivid after about a week figuring that was the problem.

Since then my Montis are VERY slowly dying and now an old Tri Color Valida that ive had since the old tank as of a couple weeks ago has very slow tissue necrosis.

Pests are NOT the problem, at one point i did have red bug but since treating for that in December there has been zero sign of them. Ive turkey basted em all for AEFW but have seen none and no bite marks or eggs.

After talking to some people i had come to the conclusion that the LR i purchased had possibly been from a tank that was treated with copper. So a week ago i purchased a poly pad (which hasnt changed colors) and as of 2 days ago i started running Cuprisorb in a TLF reactor. Since i started running Cuprisorb my red Monti cap seems the most affected and is getting very pale. So i might stop running the stuff. I dont have a copper test kit ATM.

I did notice some white fuzz on a couple crevices of my power heads and on the shell of one of my snails a few days after problem started. It was definitely not a typical sponge, i have tons of sponges and seen tons of em and this wasnt it. They were mabey 1/4" in diameter and very bright white and dense. Nothing ive seen before.

Things ive done since problem started:
- Removed LR purchased from Vivid
- Replaced all RO/DI cartridges/resin
- 20g Water changes at least once a week with DD H2Ocean Salt mix
- 40g Water change last week
- Added Poly pad
- Running Cuprisorb in reactor

Things to note:
- Lighting is ran 9 hours a day
- Bulbs were purchased new in November
- The LR i purchased has been out of the tank for around 6 weeks.
- At first things died fast now there dying slowly.
- GFO and GAC ran since beginning.

Im gonna stop running the cuprisorb tonight because of the affect its had on my red monti cap.

I really just can not nail down the problem and at this point i believe its possibly some sort of chemical or bacterial infection. I thought i had it with thinking it was copper but since the poly pad has been in there for a week with no change in color im thinking thats not it.

Whatever help or insight you guys have would be greatly appreciated, again im sorry for the long read but im trying to be as descriptive as possible to help you help me.
 
Well, I'm sorry to hear about your troubles!

I'd stop the PolyFilter, but I'd consider letting the CupriSorb run a while. There's been a bad batch of Kent carbon that the company has said will leach copper. I'm not sure what brand you've been using. Once the carbon has been checked, I might consider getting a new batch of salt, in case somehow the batch you have is bad. Is there anything except the BRS two-part, RO/DI, and fresh saltwater going into the system? I assume there's some food, too.

I'm not at all sure about what's happening, but I'd get second opinions on all the testing equipment, and I'd check the temperature and SG. In addition to the possibilities you've mentioned, I suppose there might be a disease involved, although I'm skeptical since that's a lot of unrelated corals that seem to be having problems.
 
Well, I'm sorry to hear about your troubles!

I'd stop the PolyFilter, but I'd consider letting the CupriSorb run a while. There's been a bad batch of Kent carbon that the company has said will leach copper. I'm not sure what brand you've been using. Once the carbon has been checked, I might consider getting a new batch of salt, in case somehow the batch you have is bad. Is there anything except the BRS two-part, RO/DI, and fresh saltwater going into the system? I assume there's some food, too.

I'm not at all sure about what's happening, but I'd get second opinions on all the testing equipment, and I'd check the temperature and SG. In addition to the possibilities you've mentioned, I suppose there might be a disease involved, although I'm skeptical since that's a lot of unrelated corals that seem to be having problems.

Thanks man its frustrating to say the least.

ATM im running BRS lignite carbon. I am a bit suspicious of the salt mix as well. I was running BA salt mix and just recently switched to the D+D, i just got a new bucket of it since ive been doing so many water changes. I still have half a bucket of BA but i have the worst time keeping my Alk up with that mix. However thats less of a problem than im currently having thats for sure.

My red monti cap definately took a turn for the worse since running the Cuprisorb so im a little worried about keeping that going.

Now that im thinking about it more id have to say that my problems did start shortly after switching to D+D, but untill you mentioned it, it was the lowest on my suspect list.
 
Did you accumulate the new corals? My guess is the alk was much higher in the tank they came out of and they just shocked and perished. As far as the new ones I'm not sure but I would say totally unrelated to the others. There's still a lot of sps guys both hobbyist and professionals who run alk very high and have some amazing tanks by the way.
 
Check for Stray Voltage. I has a similar incident last year. Everything looked great at 9am... 6pm home from work, sps STN, Monti's "bleaching", LPS closing up, etc etc.

Turned out that one of my Koralia's had rubbed against the internal coast to coast, enough that it broke through to the copper wire, but never popped a breaker in the house (still a bit baffled by that).

Anyways, I found this problem after days of testing and so on. I was reaching into the tank, hand/arm in the water and bumped against my Nova Extreme Pro and got a zap. I then caught it out of the corner of my eye, the koralia was not running.

I've been running a grounding probe since that day.

It took the tank a month or so before things came back to normal. I lost 3 large Birdsnest colonies, a few other sps and a couple lps. :(
 
An open hot wire contact won't cause any current to flow unless there's a path to ground, so it makes sense that the breaker didn't pop. I agree that wire exposure is a very bad thing for the tank, and can kill the person taking care of it. I had ground probes in all my tanks, and every piece of electrical equipment was on GFCIs.

At this point, checking all the electrical equipment in the tank is a reasonable idea, if it's not too much work.

The CupriSorb shouldn't be harming the corals unless you somehow got a bad batch of it. At this point, taking it out might be good for piece of mind. The carbon should help remove copper since copper tends to bind to organics, so you'll still have some copper control in place.
 
Im gonna try going back to the BA salt mix i was using and do a 40g water change today, hopefully that helps ill keep you updated.
 
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