Dosing silica to encourage diatoms as a form of nutrient control/export

Kairus

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I'm interested in the idea of this. I know Randy doses silica, but he does so for sponge health/growth, and the articles he's written isn't geared towards using it as nutrient control/export method.

The "Nualagi" product brought this to my attention, and this is a topic that is not discussed a whole lot, nor is it easy to search for. Include the word diatom in your search and it's all posts regarding how to remove them. I've heard mixed opinions on the product, but every system is different. I'm not as much interested in this product specifically, but adding silicate and the effect diatoms have on nutrients and general health of the tank.

This article suggests that diatoms are extremely beneficial. They can be easily skimmed out, as well as consumed by snails and corals. The article makes a good point that tap water typically contains rather high levels of silicate, which obviously will make diatoms a big problem, but a lower concentration of silica would fix that problem.

The article also goes on to say that by having low levels of silica (and in Randy's article he says that reef tanks tend to have much lower silica levels than natural seawater) we're giving other algae a competitive advantage, as diatoms cannot exist without silica in the water. It does seem that diatoms are a better alternative than other algae, especially if they can be so readily consumed in our tank.

Also, can the words silica and silicate be used interchangeably? What is the difference if not.
 
Did you see the nualgi thread?

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2395144

Reefers sometimes use silicate and silica interchangeably, but they are not. Silicate is an ion, (many forms, such as Si(OH)3O-, silica is SiO2 is glass/quartz/etc.. :)

Ah, okay, so silicate it is! Yes I've looked through that thread and a another but nothing really that can be taken away from it in regards to whether or not an increase in silicate in our systems will have a positive effect on nutrients.

I think I'll dose silicate and see things for myself. If diatoms can out compete other algae and be consumed by other organisms in the tank to their benefit I don't see a reason to not give it a try!
 
Considering diatoms in nature don't tend to out compete other algal species, I'm not sure why anyone expects them to do so in an aquarium :confused:
 
I think the nualgi product is said to be geared towards a particular type of diatom.

Either way it does make sense. I received the free sample of it but I haven't tried it yet because of reading a couple peoples reports of tank crashes. They said everything was great while using it, but they stopped using it and that caused problems.

I think I'm just going to wait and see how this goes for everyone that jumped right in.
 
This isn't right on the subject but it might fill in some experiential knowledge.

Perhaps this is common knowledge but I read an article, maybe Randy's, that suggested that you should inoculate your tank with silicate when you are starting your tank, after the rock is added but before you add fish or corals. The logic was that diatoms would populate the sites that green algae would want to grow on and there by limit its ability to even get started.

I called around town and bought some from a chemical supply house. It was probably sodium silicate but I don't remember. It was very cheap. I was supposed to up the dose until I got a diatom bloom and then stop.

Anyway it worked quite well.

I have an ATS so that could also suppress green algae growth in the display tank but mostly all that I got when I fed a lot was what I think was a diatom coating on the rocks. One of my species of snails loved it and they clean it up very nicely. They also multiplied quickly so the population went up and back down to match to load.

Since I don't use a skimmer, I can't speak to export but a little diatom in the tank is not a bad thing.
 
Diatoms are often a "pioneer" species on fresh surfaces. While the first to show up, they don't stop other species from coming along and establishing themselves. A classic experiment is to place settlement tiles in various ecosystems and track the growth. Diatoms typically get the first start, followed by other algaes, hydroids, barnacles, tunicates, etc. depending on the location. I've yet to see growth of diatoms on a surface prevent growth of other algae.
 
Ditto what Bill says about diatoms in the last sentence.

Diatoms overtaking another algal class is pretty rare in my experience. Normally diatoms are the ones that get contaminated with others, like greens, when in a culture situation.
 
If you had a large open volume of water, the diatoms would have the advantage, but on a surface they get overgrown and pushed away by macroalgae, and of course eaten by snails etc.
 
If you had a large open volume of water, the diatoms would have the advantage

Considering the variety and quantities of non diatom phytoplankton in open water I'd have to disagree. As a matter of fact we were running some plankton samples through a FlowCam today, while there was plenty of diatoms, they were from the dominant phyto.
 
From my experience with a recent diatom problem. If I didn't keep the diatoms blown off the rockwork w/turkey baster at least every other day it would eventually turn into a patch of GHA over time. I unfortunately had this happen to the very rear of my tank behind some rock work where turkey bastering was missed. 2 small half dollar sized patches from what I can see.
 
If you had a large open volume of water, the diatoms would have the advantage, but on a surface they get overgrown and pushed away by macroalgae, and of course eaten by snails etc.

They also get eaten by harpacticoid copepods. I think that is why a diatom bloom is a new tank phenomenon. After the harpacticoid population is established they don't come back. The harpacticoids scrape them off even the tiniest surfaces.
 
dosing diatomaceous earth for silica?

dosing diatomaceous earth for silica?

What do people think about dosing food grade diatomaceous earth to add silica to our tanks?
Is the silica in it even water soluable? Supposedly diatomaceous earth is most hydrated SiO2 from fossilized diatom skeletons.
 
The dissolution may be quite slow. It might work if it is not removed by skimming or something before it eventually dissolves., but sodium silicate solution is cheap and easy to dose. :)
 
Considering diatomaceous earth is the shells of diatoms that didn't dissolve in seawater, I wouldn't expect much dissolution in your tank. It's also used in filters, without dissolving. I'd go with the sodium silicate solution ;)
 

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