Downsizing??? Really???

Hey Ron,

Disappointing reading about the display fuge not working out. My buddy is about to try the same thing and I'm hoping he can benefit from your lessons learned. We're there any particular species of macroalgae that usually died off or usually went sexual? Any species that were easy to manage? Or was it just a mess across the board?

Thanks,
Chance

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Chance, The first time I tried 5 different macro algae and I hate to admit that I didn't pay particularly close attention to which species I had. A few grew quite well and a couple didn't do well at all. Then when I harvested about 1/3 to 1/2 of the algae that grew well, the 2/3 or 1/2 that was left in the tank went sexual and died. I assume the there various forms of Caulerpa. The second time I started with some TBS (Tampa Bay Saltwater) live rock that had a couple of algae species. One went crazy and grew so fast I had issues keeping it under control. But again, when I harvested the algae left in the tank died back and went away.

I still have some of a couple different algae species. I had the dispay refugium going, I had some in my 65g shallow reef tank and I have some in my 125g sump/refugium under the shallow reef. But I'm just not willing to deal with all the ups and downs and die off. The display refugium is tied in with the 125 DT that is now starting to overflow with coral growth and I can't have macro alga going sexual and possibly doing damage to the DT.

I wish I could be more help, but it was just an all round PITA experiment.
 
Capt Dan, how you doing? I'll have to look at the design again. You raise a valid point.

I had it drawn up your way in my first layout. But my thought process was this: give the fuge all the 'stuff' from the tank and let the chaeto take what ever it wanted, then finish the cleanup with the skimmer.

If I had my way, I'd feed the skimmer directly from the DT with an additional drain. But with the DT so full of corals (over 100 different colonies and frags) I don't want to risk drilling the back glass for an overflow now... maybe someday. But that would avoid the pods getting to the skimmer.

And I'll probably be selling frags soon!
 
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Having the skimmer first seems to be a popular choice. Thats how it was setup in my old tank as well.

However, imo I don't think it really makes much of a difference as not all the water that enters the skimmer chamber is "cleaned" by the skimmer before going to the next chamber, therefore, some nutrients and whatever else is in the water will still make it pass the skimmer into the next section. Same if the Fuge is first. Yes some pods might be sucked in by the skimmer but not all pods so to me it doesn't really make a difference, just comes down to personal choice. I don't think there is any evidence showing which of the two method is more efficient.
 
Capt Dan, how you doing? I'll have to look at the design again. You raise a valid point.

I had it drawn up your way in my first layout. But my thought process was this: give the fuge all the 'stuff' from the tank and let the chaeto take what ever it wanted, then finish the cleanup with the skimmer.

If I had my way, I'd feed the skimmer directly from the DT with an additional drain. But with the DT so full of corals (over 100 different colonies and frags) I don't want to risk drilling the back glass for an overflow now... maybe someday. But that would avoid the pods getting to the skimmer.

And I'll probably be selling frags soon!


Hey Ron,
I doing great, hope y'all are also. That sounds great about selling some frags. Im about ready to start buying for the new tank, and was going to contact ya to see what ya had going. Just waiting for this tank to finish cycling.
 
Dan, the frags I've had for 6 months or longer are growing well and I'm willing to frag. Unlike my old tank, this one will have a LOT more variety of corals and they will have to be smaller colonies.
 
Today I cleared off the workbench in the garage and even had to remove the vice and the grinder so the bottom of the new sump would fit!

So the test fit went very well. Cape Coral Glass & Mirror really does a nice job! I'll probably start silicone work on Sat or Sun when my wife is around to help me set the big glass sides and not have them wiggle around any too much. The baffles are laying inside the sump and they are just enough smaller that there will be a good silicone seal to keep them in place.








 
Hey Ron just reading in your fuge and what about isolating the fuge say 2days a week from the main system to receive direct feedings and after 2 days it goes back on the main system for 5 days ?

May be worth a shot ?
 
Thanks for the idea. But my problem was trying to keep better looking, but still fairly fast growing macro algae. Some of it would grow like a weed, but when I cut it back, the part that stayed in the tank would go sexual or die. After it dies I'd get a serious hairy algae outbreak. I just consider myself lucky that the hairy algae outbreak didn't spread to the 125g sps tank! That's a big part of why I'm abandoning the display refugium.

Besides that, the amount of time I spent working to make the display refugium look good was more than the time I spend on my other 3 tanks put together. I was hoping this would be a fairly carefree tank.

The glass for the new sump/refugium is already purchased and today I will be starting the assembly. My only real issue now is what do I do with my red Hawaiian reef lobster? I want at least one algae eater fish it the old refugium tank (soon to be an anemone tank) and that means Hannibal has to move on. BTW, he's named Hannibal because he is a known fish eater!
 
Big announcement, well, big for me at least.

I have 2 rock flowers that are next to each other at one end of the DT. They are both 4" or 5" in diameter. One is the rainbow of blue, red, yellow and green (from the center out). I've had them for a couple of years now and they were moved to this tank right after it was safe back about 8 months ago. Yesterday we discovered 5 VERY TINY baby rock flowers on the rocks next to them. Three look orange and two look light green. But at best they are only about 1/32" in diameter! I'm a father! OK... maybe I should say I have step children. LOL! Now I'm even MORE interested in having the 50G cube full of rock flowers! WooHoo!

Sfish, I like the versatility of a fuge. I can put a frag rack in there if I need to. I can create live rock in there. I can keep some of my more difficult or crazy critters in there.
 
OK, it has next to nothing to do with my tanks, but I have to post these somewhere, it's killing me. We traveled 660 miles to Clemson, SC to see the eclipse in 'totality' and it was AWESOME!!! We were at the Clemson Botanical Gardens and they limited the crowd to a full parking lot. So we arrived at 9am (eclipse stat was just after 1pm!).

Here is the first bite after about 10 minutes. This is full frame, right out of the camera using a 'home made' solar filter, a solo cup with the bottom cut out just enough to fit over the telephoto lens and store bought solar film glued over the open end. If you look closely, you can see several dark spots near the middle and at the lower left. Those are sun spots!




I started to get a bit cloudy during the 90 minute partial phase. This was shot through some less dense clouds. But at times the sun was completely obscured and we figured we had just better than a 50:50 chance at seeing totality. The clouds to the west were getting bigger and heading our way.




I was looking forward to the thin sliver of sun and it didn't disappoint. But as it got thinner than this shot, I started to get flares from the lens in the image. But I didn't have to wait long at this point before totality!





At that point I could remove the filter and I was fairly confident that I'd get OK shots of the corona. I didn't even try for the diamond ring effect as the flares were totally out of control. And all through the morning and the first 90 minutes of partial eclipse, we shared stories and images with dozens and dozens of other eclipse fans that were there. From Maine to SW Florida and everywhere along the east coast in between, people had come to see this awesome event. the mood was like Christmas. Everybody was happy to be there, we were all excited as children waiting for the coming event. We all chatted and shared food and drinks and stories. "Where did you get that awesome eclipse T-shirt?" "What kind of camera is that?" "How far did you drive to get here?" It was really quite the impromptu party.

Now the instant before totality, if you glimpsed up at the sun (I know, don't do it) the sun still looks like a big, bright white/yellow ball. The only clue that something is about to happen is that the light on the ground is getting a bit dimmer. And then it happens. The shadow washes over you the sky goes to 'full moon' bright, the stars come out, the crickets start to chirp and even a flight of bats flew over us! But the sun, OH MY, the sun. The center is as black as anything you have ever seen. The corona flares out from behind the moon and everybody, and I mean everybody at the garden whooped and applauded! It even lasted for longer than I expected, maybe 10 seconds! The air cooled slightly (it was just over 90F at the time). I took a few shots of the corona and then just slumped back in my chair and starred up at the deep blue sky with the magnificent black hole and bright glowing halo. What a sight! I'm already making plans to go to Austin, TX in April of 2024 to see another one. And this time, no photos, I just want to drink in the whole atmosphere. It was two and a half minutes of pure magic. One can easily understand how shaken people who didn't know what an eclipse was, were so seriously shaken. What a sight!


 
I woke up this morning to a pair of tanks that were cover with a heavy coating of condensation! My chiller (1hp and out in the backyard) has gone mad and run continuously for some time overnight and brought the water temperature down to 60 degrees!

I have shut off the chiller and stopped the water flow to it. I've added two heaters, one to each tank, and will bring the temp back up to 70 as quickly as possible. But even two heaters takes time to raise 200+ gallons of water 10 degrees.

At 70 I will dial back the heaters to have them run intermittently and continue to raise the temp to 76 degrees. Then I will let Mother Nature and my house A/C take over. BTW, here in SW Florida I run the A/C at 80 and we are just getting into the time of year where we open the house as midday temps are in the mid to upper 80's. But nights are getting down into the mid to low 70's.

So far, doing an inspection in the dark, it looks like things are not all bad. There are no fish floating on the surface. But I can't be sure about other potential damage. In the first hour with the heaters on the water temp has come up 3 to 4 degrees. The tanks continue to get covered in condensation fairly quickly because we have the house open and the night air is a bit humid. So I wipe off the glass every 5 to 10 minutes.

More later.
 
Half my fish are missing. I hope they are hiding in the rocks, but they may also be dead in the rocks. Half the stoney corals are dead at the tips. Who knows how far that will go? The water is at 77 to 78 degrees. It looks hazy white. I did a ammonia and nitrate test and they both came out zero, but the test kits are old. I'm prepping a 25g water change. I'm not sure how bad this may get.

I will at the very least downsize to just 2 tanks from 4 and then maybe even just one.
 
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