Dr. Roy- Symbiotic Relationship b/t Mantis and Sexy Shrimp

[yankeereefer]

Hi Dr. Roy

Have you or your colleagues done and can you share any research information on symbiotic relationships between Mantis Shrimp and Sexy Shrimp (or any other animals)?

I recently picked up a trio of sexies and while doing some reading on them, came across a brief mentioning that periodically, sexies have be found in very close proximity to some mantis. The book I have actually has a couple of pics, one of the showing a sexy perched on a mantis in between it's eyestalks.

Not that I'm wanting to toss my trio into the O.s or smithii's tanks, I just found it very fascinating and hoped to learn more.

Thanks in advance.
Ryan

 

[Altpers0na]

er? really?

what kind of mantis is in the picture?

 

[Pea-brain]

I saw a picture similar to that except with cleaner shrimp that were living in the burrow with a large spearer.

Dan

 

[Pea-brain]

I saw a picture similar to that except with cleaner shrimp that were living in the burrow with a large spearer.

Dan

 

[Tylt33]

Re: Dr. Roy- Symbiotic Relationship b/t Mantis and Sexy Shrimp

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12172757#post12172757 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by yankeereefer
Hi Dr. Roy

Have you or your colleagues done and can you share any research information on symbiotic relationships between Mantis Shrimp and Sexy Shrimp (or any other animals)?

I recently picked up a trio of sexies and while doing some reading on them, came across a brief mentioning that periodically, sexies have be found in very close proximity to some mantis. The book I have actually has a couple of pics, one of the showing a sexy perched on a mantis in between it's eyestalks.

Not that I'm wanting to toss my trio into the O.s or smithii's tanks, I just found it very fascinating and hoped to learn more.

Thanks in advance.
Ryan

Is it an actual symbiotic relationship (i.e. are both members gaining something)? Or is it a roommates kind of thing?

 

[Pea-brain]

Re: Re: Dr. Roy- Symbiotic Relationship b/t Mantis and Sexy Shrimp

Re: Re: Dr. Roy- Symbiotic Relationship b/t Mantis and Sexy Shrimp

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12177224#post12177224 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Tylt33
Is it an actual symbiotic relationship (i.e. are both members gaining something)? Or is it a roommates kind of thing?

I'd imagine that the mantis gains free cleaning and detritus pickup (may be helpful to prevent various shell infections and the like) and the shrimp gains a free meal and protection from a crapload of predators. This may be more of a learned relationship than a instinctual relationship. Mantises are very much individuals and some may learn things others wouldn't be able to, and this doesn't seem extremely common....(thinkin aloud)

Dan

 

[yankeereefer]

I just reread the entry in the book, Crustacea of The World - The pics and references are related to (spearer) Lysiosquillina lisa.

Photos show 3 different shrimp with the squilla; stenopus tenuirostris (banded shrimp), thor amboinensis (sexy) and Periclimenes imperator (emperor shrimp)

The writer also puzzles over the relationship - Possible reasoning includes - Burrow made with lots of mucus which may draw the cleaners and that squilla regurgitate fish's scales and other non-digestables also possibly attracting cleaners

Perhaps Dr. Roy will chime in

The pics are great - I wish I could scan and post but am unsure of copyright protection.

 

[Gonodactylus]

I've seen cleaners with Lysiosquillina maculata and L. lisa a few times in the wild. I never tried to facilitate this in the lab.

The only other shrimp/stomatopod association that I can verify is a snapping shrimp found in Squilla mantis burrows.

There are numerous reports of ostracods living with Hemisquila and Lysiosquillina.

Roy

 

[Pea-brain]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12179815#post12179815 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Gonodactylus

There are numerous reports of ostracods living with Hemisquila and Lysiosquillina.

Roy

Oh I've seen pictures of that!!!

Dan

 

[justinl]

lol dan. nice photoshop job. who knew those birds were marine?

For those unaware, Ostracods are small shrimp like arthropods that have a bivalved shell (sorta like a clam). I recently found that I have a population of them in my G. smithii nano... mine are about 1mm. Dr. Roy, how big are the ones you're talking about?

hey anyone willing to throw a few cleaners and sexies into their mantis tanks? ^^ in the name of science of course

 

[Tylt33]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12183143#post12183143 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Pea-brain
Oh I've seen pictures of that!!!

Dan

Easily the post of the month. I lol'd quite a bit.

On a serious note, who owns a Lysiosquillina maculata or lisa that wants to do some research?

 

[Altpers0na]

if you try the shrimp experiment, please do so with a video camera...

 

[sabazerehi]

my peacock lived with a peppermint shrimp for a few months but then one day the peppermint was gone, lunch i suppose.

 

[yankeereefer]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12183301#post12183301 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by justinl
hey anyone willing to throw a few cleaners and sexies into their mantis tanks?

If I can successfully breed and rear my sexies, I might consider experimenting.

I am going to purchase more sexy shrimp soon to add to the existing 3. Hopefully I can manage to get a breeding pair. Currently researching shrimp breeding and preparing a kreisel tank for larvae.

 

[Pea-brain]

Sexies are relatively easy to raise compared to other ornamental shrimp. Their first food can be BBS and they only last about a month in the planktonic or less I think. Also breed in small groups and not alot of cannabalism problems. It might take a few tries but I think you'll have good luck. (I'm sure you already know that of course, but I felt the need to add something )

Dan