Drawbacks with captive breed livestock?

2farNorth

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Ok, not sure which forum to discuss this.

Anyways, My LFS is totally against captive breed fish (and corals), Does anyone have any problems with captive breed species? She mainly talked about clownfish and them not knowing what a anemone is, and how its not natural. Also complained about diseases, and other problems.
So either I think she tried some captive breed, and had problems, or maybe she was just misinformed. (could be a cost/profit factor also). I'm just curious if anyone else here has had any problems. I personally like the idea of captive breed and will have some in my tank (well that and Frags too!!)
 
Re: Drawbacks with captive breed livestock?

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7492165#post7492165 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by 2farNorth
Ok, not sure which forum to discuss this.

Anyways, My LFS is totally against captive breed fish (and corals), Does anyone have any problems with captive breed species? She mainly talked about clownfish and them not knowing what a anemone is, and how its not natural. Also complained about diseases, and other problems.
So either I think she tried some captive breed, and had problems, or maybe she was just misinformed. (could be a cost/profit factor also). I'm just curious if anyone else here has had any problems. I personally like the idea of captive breed and will have some in my tank (well that and Frags too!!)
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Shes pretty minsinformed. My clownfish are tank raised ORA fish, and they hosted immediately. Theres a whole lot more disease problems with wild caught fish than captive raised.


WC are cheaper in most cases though.
 
She's way wacked out! Tell her I said so.

Captive bred is the way to go. Stronger, more disease resistant, more prone to survive in our tanks, not depleting wild stock etc etc....
 
Ya, thats what I figured, It's probably a cost/profit issue.... thats too bad, I like the lfs... I'll be ordering some captive breed probably in a couple months or so....
 
I have 1 captive bred female clown and 1 wild caught juvinal clown (maroons)
My captive bred wouldent leave the top of the powerhead. piriod. I added an anemone after a month, and she hosted in it within 2 minutes. She was a very picky eatter.
She caught a bacteria infection and fin/tail rot about 3 weeks after I got her. (shes fine now)

My wild caught juvi, 'dove right in' in and out of caves exploring the whole tank. also hosted.. as soon as she let him.

He did have internal parasites right off the bat. and he was more expensive lol

Id go tank raised if given a choice

As for corals... I bought a bunch of captive bred coral from L. aquaia.. and its good for the enviorment and all... but they come on these huge chunks of frag plugs and blocks. I had to do alot of hammering and chizeling... Not super attractive. Better if fragged onto LR rubble
 
captive bred corals are the best thing since sliced bread... well, actually better. much much more hardy(take sps and xenia for example) it dosent impact the reefs and it makes you feed all fuzzy and warm inside knowing you didnt hurt the reefs... lol
 
I think it is because, and this is just a guess, they can charge more for wild fish and corals. They may cost a little more for them to get, but I think they can make a bigger profit from them. Also,there will always be those people out there who want something straight from the ocean because its rare or somehow better than something raised in captivity. Its like the people who will continue to buy furs of animals that are endangered as opposed to getting a synthetic one that looks and feels exactly the same.

As for me, I can't wait for the day that we can raise every fish and coral in captivity and never have to harvest from the ocean again!
 
I have seen a few Captive Bred fish that didn't look as colorful as their wild caught counterparts. Mostly angels.

I imagine this was probably due to inferior blood lines and a lack of "breeder stock" on the part of this particular breeder, but it is something to keep in mind. They are also normaly smaller.

Also, Captive bred fish are ussually more expensive, at least 20% in my experience, and unless housed in a Captive Bred Only System at the LFS, the disease benifits are meaningless. Perhaps even worse than wild caught.

Why? The wild caught fish have lived with parasites, etc their whole life and have at least some built up immunity or tolerance. Many Captive raised have no resistance what so ever. So like I said, unless they are housed seperatly, it's pointless.

Don't get me wrong, I wholeheartedly support Captive Breeding programs, and buy Captive bred when possible, but the industry has a long way to go.

Most people that request Captive Bred fish at the LFS I work at, when confronted with the increased cost, quickly change their tune.

We as hobbiests need to put our money where our mouth is, and contribute both by paying the increased price, as well as striving to breed fish ourselves on order to increase the quality of Captive Bred fish. Most fish breeding advances are initiated at the hobbiest level, not the commercial end.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7493208#post7493208 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by gh0st

Why? The wild caught fish have lived with parasites, etc their whole life and have at least some built up immunity or tolerance. Many Captive raised have no resistance what so ever. So like I said, unless they are housed seperatly, it's pointless.
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Thats not really true. Things like itch and brooknella are a lot more prevalent in our tanks than they are the ocean. Thats why so many wild caught fish come down with things when you get them,whereas the CR are fine
 
i wish i could get tankbred but my lfs wont order them until august to to money restraints. so im going to get a store quarantined pair of pink skunks. the only reason im doing this is because i completely trust the store and because the tank bred would be too inconvenient for me. i do plan on trying to breed these guys to put more tank bred fish into the market though.
 
i wish i could get tankbred but my lfs wont order them until august to to money restraints. so im going to get a store quarantined pair of pink skunks. the only reason im doing this is because i completely trust the store and because the tank bred would be too inconvenient for me. i do plan on trying to breed these guys to put more tank bred fish into the market though.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7493208#post7493208 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by gh0st

We as hobbiests need to put our money where our mouth is, and contribute both by paying the increased price, as well as striving to breed fish ourselves on order to increase the quality of Captive Bred fish. Most fish breeding advances are initiated at the hobbiest level, not the commercial end.
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Yes, I would like to get into breeding down the road, did alot of freshwater, and I enjoy it....

I would also like to see some of these lfs start selling more captive bred. I really think it's a cost/profit issue.... then of course the lfs I was talking about, has alot of cichlids that are 'fish farm' raised, and no wild caught... go figure....

I'm glad to see alot of interesting replys!!!
 
my LFS got in 5 wild caught ocellaris clowns and one was swimming the death swim, i picked out the best two and he was going to net and throw the clown away. I asked if i could try to take it home he said sure and threw it in the bag. It was dead before i got home, i live less than 5 minutes away from LFS. Other one died 2 hours later and the last one died 2 days later. I used the drip method, taken about 1 hour. He informed me that the remaining 2 died shortly (within a week) after. the one that lived 2 days for me wouldn't eat.

He finally got in Tank Breed Ocellaris, they were $29.99 instead of $24.99 and I bought 2 and they ate within an hour of being in the tank.

Bought 2 more from LFS today for my other tank, all looking good. I would never buy another wild caught clown again :(
It hurts the anenome, the clown and in the long run the entire reef.
 
only bad thing about captive bred is that u may have a fish that may not have normally made it in the wild, therefor passing on weakness in the species if u decide to breed them..
 
How common is it to have abnormal color patterns in captive bred stock?

For exmaple the Percula Clown.
All the captive bred ones I've seen have incomplete or abnormal white striping.
I know its pretty superficial but my wife does not want one with the abnormal striping. I'd love to know if they exist captive bred with the normal coloration.
 
Any other thoughts, or problems with captive bred? I've been searching for info, but haven't really came up with much. I'm planning on getting some down the road after everything is running....
 
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