drummereef's 180g in-wall build

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14892840#post14892840 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by melev
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heheh that's nice.. hahaha... get water on that baby...
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14883307#post14883307 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by drummereef
Glad you stopped by jackcarp. I'm sure you're build will be spectacular. I'll be tagging that one for sure. I'm trying to figure out a way to wire this tank off the grid. :D

I would LOVE to have a tank that is off the grid or as close to it as possible. If you get any good ideas - I would love to hear them. At this point, I have to build my new house off the grid before I can get a nice setup. I think my current house is so old that a large tank would end up in the basement with a large hole in the subfloor above it. If my house is off the grid, then I will have a gigantic backup generator. :thumbsup:
 
UPDATE:

Today was a good day... :dance:

Headed out to the LFS to pick up my sump this morning. Dave at ART did a fantastic job. Couldn't be more pleased with the build quality. It's exactly as I designed it. And my skimmer fits like a glove. Again the dimensions are 56x22x14 (LxWxH). Skimmer sits in 9" of water and the bubble trap has 2" spacing between baffles. More pics to come in a bit...



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A pic with a pound of my favorite brew for perspective. :D

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Oh Melev...... Time to wake up! :rollface:
 
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Looks like a very nice sump. Are you drilling holes in the far left side for bulkheads?

What flavor coffee is that?
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14895559#post14895559 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by melev
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Looks like a very nice sump. Are you drilling holes in the far left side for bulkheads?

What flavor coffee is that?

Nice emoticons. :D Yeah, I'm drilling two holes for the drain line bulkheads. I'm planning on 1.5" drains and returns. The Dart has 2" suction side and 1.5" return side.

Thoughts?


Oh, and the brew is Verona. I was a Komodo Dragon guy, then it was Shade Grown Mexico. I sometimes crave the Pike Place Bucks brews daily now, but still enjoy the Verona. Only french press of course. :)
 
Aren't you the guy with the Sketchup drawings of all the plumbing? I figured you had this all worked out already.

Two 1.5" drains is fine, and a single 1.5" return is good as well. What I would suggest is to plumb the return to the center of the tank, then Tee it out both directions with the exact same amount of plumbing and fittings to get even flow out of each side. Probably the way you drew it, right?
 
Okay, not like this. :lol:

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One more thing you need to know. Anything in the manifold can get air in it each time you turn off the return pump. That is unavoidable. That is why I have a manifold pump and a return pump.
 
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14888912#post14888912 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by drummereef
Justin, if my tank turns out half as nice as yours I will be thrilled. Seriously. Your tank is absolutely stunning. :thumbsup:

As for the laminate, it is really easy to work with. It's a little unnerving knowing that you only have once chance when gluing it up but other than that it's great. If you have a flush cutting bit and a router you're good to go. The contact cement stinks like you wouldn't believe so it would be best to do your project outside if possible. Lost some brain cells I'm sure. :D

Thanks for the compliment! I can honestly say though that after seeing your build, I would have done some things differently with mine. I certainly would have gone with the laminate.

I do have access to a router and my brother and I figured we would cut the pieces a little large and then 'trim' then down after gluing. I agree, it's kind of scary to know you only have one chance!

Great stuff going here and I can't wait to see what you do for livestock.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14895719#post14895719 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by melev
Aren't you the guy with the Sketchup drawings of all the plumbing? I figured you had this all worked out already.

Two 1.5" drains is fine, and a single 1.5" return is good as well. What I would suggest is to plumb the return to the center of the tank, then Tee it out both directions with the exact same amount of plumbing and fittings to get even flow out of each side. Probably the way you drew it, right?

:lol: Yeah but you hadn't commented yet! :D What about using true union ball valves on both return sides, like drawn? Wouldn't that be a way to even out the flow from left to right?
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14895752#post14895752 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by drummereef
:lol: Yeah but you hadn't commented yet! :D What about using true union ball valves on both return sides, like drawn? Wouldn't that be a way to even out the flow from left to right?

Yes, but my method is better because you don't have to use ballvalves at all. Unions are nice for plumbing removal.

You might apply a strip of molding or wood to the front base of your stand. That way you don't see the gap as quickly, and less stuff can roll under accidentally. When my tiny eel jumped out of the suncoral tank last week, I slammed my hand down between it and the sump's platform to make sure it didn't wriggle under and die.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14895835#post14895835 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by melev
Yes, but my method is better because you don't have to use ballvalves at all. Unions are nice for plumbing removal.

You might apply a strip of molding or wood to the front base of your stand. That way you don't see the gap as quickly, and less stuff can roll under accidentally. When my tiny eel jumped out of the suncoral tank last week, I slammed my hand down between it and the sump's platform to make sure it didn't wriggle under and die.

Gotcha. For the stand I'm going to put some pvc board down as trim and silicone it to the floor so it's water tight. Just haven't had time to get to that yet. I've got a hook-up for true unions. I can get them on the cheap, nice ones too. I was trying to kill two birds with one stone on the design by incorporating the true unions to balance the flow and for easy disassembly.

Are you advocating your design because of complications from the ball valves or just because they are expensive? That was actually my original plan but thought this way I could avoid some tee's.
 
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14895745#post14895745 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by JustinReef
Thanks for the compliment! I can honestly say though that after seeing your build, I would have done some things differently with mine. I certainly would have gone with the laminate.

I do have access to a router and my brother and I figured we would cut the pieces a little large and then 'trim' then down after gluing. I agree, it's kind of scary to know you only have one chance!

Great stuff going here and I can't wait to see what you do for livestock.

Yes, that's exactly what you want to do. Rough cut the laminate approx 1" or so bigger than the piece you want to laminate. Use some dowels between the laminate and finish surface so you can do some final adjusting before sticking them together. Once down it's down for good. Roll with a J-roller then use a flush cutting bit in your router to trim it down. Then use a file to ease the edges a little. I'm sporting a nice cut on my thumb from the sharp edge before I filed it. It was razor sharp. ;)

I actually had to flush cut the bottom piece of laminate before gluing it because I couldn't get the router down by the floor and in between the two legs. That was a little scary since there was no room for error. Luckily it went down exactly where it needed to. :)
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14895925#post14895925 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by drummereef
Gotcha. For the stand I'm going to put some pvc board down as trim and silicone it to the floor so it's water tight. Just haven't had time to get to that yet. I've got a hook-up for true unions. I can get them on the cheap, nice ones too. I was trying to kill two birds with one stone on the design by incorporating the true unions to balance the flow and for easy disassembly. Are you advocating you design because of complications from the ball valves or just because they are expensive?

Saving money is nice, and removing any restrictions is ideal. If you can balance it out, all the better. You will have a little guesswork anyway since you've got the manifold incorporated in the same line.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14895963#post14895963 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by melev
Saving money is nice, and removing any restrictions is ideal. If you can balance it out, all the better. You will have a little guesswork anyway since you've got the manifold incorporated in the same line.


Why would air get trapped or forced into the manifold when turning the system pump on an off? Is this bad because you will force air into the media reactors?
 
I've not had a big problem yet, but you may. I turn off my return pump daily, so it would be a big amount of air each time. That may blow all the GFO in your reactor into suspension, for example. Or perhaps add a bunch of air into a calcium reactor.

In my system, the manifold pushes water to the angled tank, the prop section, the refugium, the suncoral tank, the carbon reactor and the calcium reactor. Air hasn't been an issue, but that pump is on almost 100% of the time.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14896038#post14896038 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by melev
I've not had a big problem yet, but you may. I turn off my return pump daily, so it would be a big amount of air each time. That may blow all the GFO in your reactor into suspension, for example. Or perhaps add a bunch of air into a calcium reactor.

In my system, the manifold pushes water to the angled tank, the prop section, the refugium, the suncoral tank, the carbon reactor and the calcium reactor. Air hasn't been an issue, but that pump is on almost 100% of the time.

Ok gotcha. I might have an idea... Give me a bit and I'll draw it into the design. I might be able to isolate the manifold off of the return on a dedicated line. I'm gigging tonight but I'll check back. :)
 
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