drummereef's 180g in-wall build

drummereef said:
Awesome Pete, thanks. I agree too it's just the initial algae cycle. Mine seems to be brown hair algae but I presume its on in the same as gha. :)

I agree, and I need to find that write up as it does a great job outlining what goes on in reef tanks for the first few months to a year
It talkks about the live rock die off, leading to the amonia, nitrite, nitrate cycle the when those bacteria blooms die off they foster the algea cycles such as dyno to air algea
After the algea cycles you will usually see large blooms of critters that consume the algea such as flatworms, pods, snails, sponges, dusters etc. All these cycles are part of your unique system reaching an environmentlal equilibriumm
Some blooms are bad or not considered reef freindly where others are beneficial, it's all a mater of what life form is ready to take advantage of the next food chain nitch
Some of this is conttrolable by introduction of preffered critters but we are not mother nature so some undesirable things just happen.
But understanding the order of things helps when trying to direct those nitches toward desirerable results




Turbos are great for hair algea but prefer colder waters. The mexacan turbo is a bit more tolorant of our reef temperatures but can still starve themselves to death shortly after the hair algea is consumed. So be ready to replace them with some astrias and cerniths
 
With NO3 at less than 1.0ppm you are not going to see any noticeable effect from carbon dosing.

This is true but I think there will be subsequent benefits to my system. I only have about 100lb rock in my system. This is far below the 1-2lb/gallon rule (which I personally think is bunk anyhow). The pellets provide area to multiply and feed which is necessary for de-nitrification and reduction of phosphate. If it works, they will allow me to feed heavier without the inherent risk of excess nutrients. Feeding fish is easy imo. Larger foods are easy for protein skimmers to suck up. It's the small phytos that we use to feed corals that cause the biggest issues, again imo. That's where the pellets can really benefit. I'm looking mostly for the pellets to help reduce phosphates in the system, which from what I've read is their strong suit. Away with the phosphate, away with algae problems. :)

I agree, and I need to find that write up as it does a great job outlining what goes on in reef tanks for the first few months to a year
It talkks about the live rock die off, leading to the amonia, nitrite, nitrate cycle the when those bacteria blooms die off they foster the algea cycles such as dyno to air algea
After the algea cycles you will usually see large blooms of critters that consume the algea such as flatworms, pods, snails, sponges, dusters etc. All these cycles are part of your unique system reaching an environmentlal equilibriumm
Some blooms are bad or not considered reef freindly where others are beneficial, it's all a mater of what life form is ready to take advantage of the next food chain nitch
Some of this is conttrolable by introduction of preffered critters but we are not mother nature so some undesirable things just happen.
But understanding the order of things helps when trying to direct those nitches toward desirerable results




Turbos are great for hair algea but prefer colder waters. The mexacan turbo is a bit more tolorant of our reef temperatures but can still starve themselves to death shortly after the hair algea is consumed. So be ready to replace them with some astrias and cerniths

Will do, thanks for the tip about the other snails. I don't know how much "life" I will end up seeing after all this is done since I used dry Marco rock from the start. I only seeded it with a little live sand so all the critters that would normally inhabit live rock aren't present. We shall see though.... :)
 
another thing to consider is getting some macro algea started along with some pods

The next project is to get the fuge up an running. Still finalizing some details in my head but I think I'm there. Hopefully will be up and running within a couple months.

Can you post a fts? I just went through a million pages and couldn't find one. Lol

I will definitely get a FTS before the biopellet reactor goes online, which should be in a couple days. Need to make a temporary background for the pics then I will feel comfortable taking the shots. :)
 
UPDATE:


Couple pics for you. I decided to add another entry to the "biopellet testing request list". I will take nog shots as skimmate production is supposed to increase when using the pellets. So here's a revised list and some pics. :)


1. I will add 1/4 the recommended amount per week until I'm running 1 Liter in the reactor.
2. Weekly/Bi Weekly Nitrate and Phosphate tests will be taken with Salifert Test Kits.
3. No other inhabitants will be added so feeding will remain on the same schedule. Except maybe for a couple snails. :D
4. FTS will be taken Weekly/Bi Weekly to show the progress of algae reduction.
5. Nog shots of skimmate production as cleaning is necessary.


Nog shots of the week

IMG_1083.jpg~original


IMG_1082.jpg~original



Thought this was a funny pic. I left my Omega One Nori Clip in the tank for longer than usual and the film algae / diatoms ghosted the name, "Omega One", on the glass. :lol: What, my algae has it's own advertising campaign now?. :lol2:


IMG_1086.jpg~original
 
Last edited by a moderator:
another thing to consider is getting some macro algea started along with some pods
Did somebody say pods? If you want to seed your tank with pods, let me recommend this link. This guy should be given an award for what he is selling. I have pods EVERYWHERE now. On the glass, all over the rock...crazy. Try it. You will be amazed by the amount of pods that will be crawling around your tank. All you need is phyto after that to keep them multiplying....trust me on this one...My local club just did a huge group buy....
http://cgi.ebay.com/Copepods-Rotife...lice-food-/190432087580?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0
 
Brett,

I know you said you only have about 100lbs of LR in your DT. Did you ever consider putting some in your sump as more of a natural filter? I have been debating on just ordering a 100lbs of nice marco rock and then just getting some regular ol cheap LR for putting in my sump/fuge.
 
Did somebody say pods? If you want to seed your tank with pods, let me recommend this link. This guy should be given an award for what he is selling. I have pods EVERYWHERE now. On the glass, all over the rock...crazy. Try it. You will be amazed by the amount of pods that will be crawling around your tank. All you need is phyto after that to keep them multiplying....trust me on this one...My local club just did a huge group buy....
http://cgi.ebay.com/Copepods-Rotife...lice-food-/190432087580?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0

Thanks for the link Henry! :)

Brett,

I know you said you only have about 100lbs of LR in your DT. Did you ever consider putting some in your sump as more of a natural filter? I have been debating on just ordering a 100lbs of nice marco rock and then just getting some regular ol cheap LR for putting in my sump/fuge.

At this point with the skimmer, reactors, and heaters there is no room for rock in the sump. However, I do plan on putting as much as will fit in the refugium once it's online. That will be a little while though...
 
UPDATE:


Still trying to get a decent FTS. The background is temporary so try not to look at the shadows. I don't know if it's because I took the shot with the pumps on or shooting in JPEG mode but I can't get the grain out of the pics. Just not the clarity of what I see in person. They always come out dark so I end up having to brighten them up later. Using Manual Mode on the Canon XSI. Hmmmm.....


IMG_1129.jpg~original
 
Last edited by a moderator:
I think that it looks awesome... I can see how the corals are going to fill the tank... it looks good. The "grass" you have growing looks kinda neat...
 
UPDATE:


Still trying to get a decent FTS. The background is temporary so try not to look at the shadows. I don't know if it's because I took the shot with the pumps on or shooting in JPEG mode but I can't get the grain out of the pics. Just not the clarity of what I see in person. They always come out dark so I end up having to brighten them up later. Using Manual Mode on the Canon XSI. Hmmmm.....


IMG_1129.jpg~original

Brett,
Are you doing some thing to control or get rid of this HA in your beautiful system... see this thread I hope it will help alot.
thread name is: No Lights for 3 Days Every Couple of Months Works Wonders!
http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1078532
 
Last edited by a moderator:
I am in no way criticizing you the opposite is true I ask this question because I value your set up and want to copy much of it when I move from my 125 gallon to a larger tank. If I understand your mind set it is you do not feel you need live rock in the 1 to 1 1/2 lb per gallon of water formula nor do you want, need a dsb. If this is correct are you going to try and use the biopellets and over sized protean skimmer to get to the same place has others have with the lr and dsb? Again thanks for a great informative thread.:wave:
 
Brett,
Are you doing some thing to control or get rid of this HA in your beautiful system... see this thread I hope it will help alot.
thread name is: No Lights for 3 Days Every Couple of Months Works Wonders!
http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1078532

As stated in previous posts, the algae bloom is a normal part new tank cycling. I have no doubt it will go away on it's own but am implementing a few things such as snails, GFO, and soon biopellets to help limit excess nutrients. I have complete confidence the algae will be totally gone within a couple weeks. :) I've done that technique in the past on my 40g but it doesn't cure the underlying problem of what is usually a nutrient issue. Take care of that, then you won't have to turn the lights of imo. :)

I am in no way criticizing you the opposite is true I ask this question because I value your set up and want to copy much of it when I move from my 125 gallon to a larger tank. If I understand your mind set it is you do not feel you need live rock in the 1 to 1 1/2 lb per gallon of water formula nor do you want, need a dsb. If this is correct are you going to try and use the biopellets and over sized protean skimmer to get to the same place has others have with the lr and dsb? Again thanks for a great informative thread.:wave:


I feel the amount of live rock is solely dependent on the overall bio load of it's inhabitants. I don't plan on keeping multiple tangs and larger fish in general. The plan is to have a few different species of colorful fish but not tax the overall load of the system. Personally I don't know of any studies done on the lb/gallon live rock, maybe someone has a link? Seems like an arbitrary number that has been passed around over the years. Right now my nitrates are 0 or close to it so even with the small amount of rock in my display it's working like it should. I've used DSBs in the past but chose not to on this system. I like the idea of being able to vacuum the substrate at water changes. Seems to me this is a more effective / quicker way of removing detritus. And, less sand means less chance for the sand bed to become a nutrient sink. Amazingly though in my old 40g, the top layer of the 5" DSB was filthy dirty but the bottom 2-3" were sparkling clean. It just scared me to look at it as I felt it was a ticking time bomb waiting to self destruct. The biopellets will only help imo. If they perform as advertised it will allow me to feed heavier without the risk of raising nutrient levels. Hope this helps. :)
 
Did you feel you weren't getting enough flow with just the vortechs and your returns?


Not necessarily. I just had them from my 40g so I decided to put them in the tank. They hardly push any flow in a tank this size. It would better to have a couple 6045s or mp10s for auxiliary flow. There's not an inch of tank that isn't getting flow in there . I can really tell flow pattern since the algae is so long at this point. The Vortechs do a great job at keeping food suspended and from collecting in the sand.
 
Last edited:
I wouldn't do the bio pellets. Tank is to new for that. You have nothing in there.
All you need are a gang of hermit crabs, some cerith and astrea snails to eat that stuff up.
Run some gfo and carbon and that algae should disappear in no time...
Check your water. Probably the source of all the excess nutrients... How long you keeping those halides on for? That algae growing on the rocks doesn't look like hair algae. Probably something that was already on the dry rock you bought... gfo and a clean up crew should make that go away....Just my 2 cents for what its worth... Algae blenny also.. (lawnmower)
 
Did somebody say pods? If you want to seed your tank with pods, let me recommend this link. This guy should be given an award for what he is selling. I have pods EVERYWHERE now. On the glass, all over the rock...crazy. Try it. You will be amazed by the amount of pods that will be crawling around your tank. All you need is phyto after that to keep them multiplying....trust me on this one...My local club just did a huge group buy....
http://cgi.ebay.com/Copepods-Rotife...lice-food-/190432087580?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0

just make sure you feed them to keep the population levels up or like any other bloom they will consume what is there and die off to a smaller population
 
Back
Top